The CALL, Is there One Call to All or not

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Allan, Oct 21, 2006.

  1. 2BHizown New Member

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    Everyone sitting in the pew when the gospel is preached hears the 'general' call but that person whose heart is touched is convicted of their sin, responding to an 'inner call ' of the Holy Spirit specifically to them and then by the grace of God submits, believes and trusts in Christ as Savior!
     
  2. Allan Active Member

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    Actually in the first it states specifically that:
    The offer (bid/invitation) went out to any they could find. Why invite if you have a preselected audience you have hand picked. Then after the feast commenced; then one is found who didn't belong This man was remove. (How did he know about the feast?)
    So verse 14 states - Many BE called, but few [are] chosen. They are chosen BECAUSE the responded.
    BTW: Who are the OTHER FEW NOT chosen since scripture says many BE CALLED.

    The guests were there because everything was set and provided all that was required was the belief [that you were asked to come].

    OF course they were give by the Father to the Son, No one is disputing this. What is typically the dispute is what does not follow your theology and not specifically that it couldn't be a valid rendering of scripture.
    My friend believing on Him is all we are required to do as sayeth the scriptures.
     
  3. Allan Active Member

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    Thank you for your post.
    I understand, My question now is does conviction come only to the elect? As in the person being given the 'inner' call are they the only ones convicted of sin?
     
  4. Brother Bob New Member

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    Also, "many are called, few are chosen". Seems to be the same call to me. Guess it depends on whether you got a "inner" or a "outer". :)
     
  5. Allan Active Member

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    Whatsever, I will get to your post I promise.
    My eyes are going blurring as I have been awake since yesterday at 1 pm. Tham means I'm going on 20 hours being up and my mind closing in :BangHead: :laugh:
     
  6. Pastor Larry <b>Moderator</b>
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    Because that is the way God has ordained that his elect be saved. Why argue against it?
     
  7. Allan Active Member

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    It should be why invite all you find if you have a preselected audience.

    I'm simply asking a question and hoping someone actually can give a better biblical answer than That is just the way it is, and I don't why?
     
  8. webdog Active Member
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    You talking about belly buttons, BB? Maybe that is the way to find out who the elect are...pull up their shirts :D
     
  9. 2BHizown New Member

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    Yes, the sheep know the voice of their master and follow Him in obedience. All others do not, can not, hear the voice of our Master.
    Read all of John 9 as it is such a clear picture of what occurs. Even before that picture of Christ being the great shepherd, He tells us that His sheep actually enter the sheepfold through Him. The old shepherds would lay down in the narrow passage and the sheep would actually enter by passing over His body.
    Earlier, when the blind man was summoned it was an inner call to him alone and he believed though he had never seen, never known before. His belief was instantaneous:'Who is He Lord, that I may believe in Him?' Only Christ can give blind eyes sight!
    Those who believe in Him are blessed to have been gifted with such mercy and grace to have their blindness healed!
     
  10. Pastor Larry <b>Moderator</b>
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    The reason I gave is the biblical reason--the one that God gave us. I am not sure what else you are looking for. Perhaps if you give us some further information we can more specifically direct our answers.
     
  11. jne1611 Member

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    Yea. When life is given to him.
     
  12. webdog Active Member
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    So if life is already given to the "dead" prior to faith in Christ, faith in Christ is moot. Does the Bible teach this?

    If the "dead" need to be given life in order to respond to anything...was Pharaoh the "elect" before God hardened his heart? You can't harden a dead person's heart, now, can you? Let's see a little consistency here...
     
  13. Brother Bob New Member

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    Lazurus come forth!

    yep, another inner!!!
     
  14. Jarthur001 Active Member

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    hummm I have a few ideas...

    Yes...but what does the Bible say.. :)

    The 1st birth...
    Tis God that brings life..Man had nothing to do with it.

    and the 2nd birth...
    NEW creation...not a fixer-up. Not a paint job, a NEW CREATION. :)

    To be quickened(make alive)..one must not be alive. One must be died. And as it turns out..this is what the verse says.


    Tis God that gives life in rain..Man has nothing to do with it. Notice the link of Gods pleasure and life. OH...yeah...what a great God we have!!! In full control..He is. :)


    If Man desire to save his own life...He will lose his life. Tis God...that gives life to the one with no life. God saves sinners died in sins

    Tis God that gives life...Tis God that lets the dead hear....and notice...THOSE THAT HEAR...live. Which means there are some that do not hear. BUT ALL THAT HEAR(understand their need)...LIVE.

    Tis God that gives to the Son..The believer is what was given to the Son and to the believe eternal life is given. Tis Christ that GIVES life not man.

    Tis God though GRACE that gives life..Man is died in sin

    Tis God that gives life and CALLS His elect ..The "called" hear the call and believe. The dead do not understand their need and do not come.

    IF you can hear (which means some cannot)...hear this...Tis God that gives from the tree of life.


    In Christ...James
     
  15. Jarthur001 Active Member

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    Ezekiel 37

    Vision of the Valley of Dry Bones

    God Makes the dead bones hear. :) Well...Glory....
    Can I have an Amen?? :)
     
  16. Jarthur001 Active Member

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    Notice Christ Choose who was to come forth.

    He said LAZURUS....and in doing so..set Lazurus apart from all others in the grave. Lazurus was picked as the one to raise from the died. Christ could have said...JOE come forth if He so wanted to. If so...Joe would have come and not Lazurus.

    Notice also...Lazurus did not ask to be rasied. Lazurus had nothing at all to do with the raising. But...Lazurus could not resist the call.

    What a great God we have. What a great Bible we have.
     
  17. Allan Active Member

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    Yes, but the question and thought being conveyed at present is was Lazarus made alive BEFORE Christ called him forth!

    Remember, the dead can not hear for they are not alive.

    Or are you saying the spiritually dead are living but not alive in Christ
     
  18. whatever New Member

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    Don't worry about it. Take a break and get some rest.
     
  19. Jarthur001 Active Member

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    We have a record in the Bible of how this works. This is shown in the valley of the dead dry bones. So...Yes. God gives life 1st.

    am I right???? :)
     
  20. Brother Bob New Member

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    Soooo, you finally admit the dead caaaaannnn hear!!!! That is all we been saying all along that the dead in sin can hear God calling to repent and also can hear the Devil saying to sin and they have to choose which one they will follow. If they will hear God and choose Him then He will regenerate them and born them again and make them alive in Christ Jesus raised to walk a newness of life.