The foundational text for the doctrine of hell

Gen 3:22-24 NASB
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out with his hand, and take fruit also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—
therefore the LORD God sent him out of the Garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
So He drove the man out; and at the east of the Garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life. ​

This passage is foundational for God imposing the consequences of Adam's volitional sin of eating from the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil."
1) God precluded the opportunity to humans to obtain eternal life by their own effort.
2) God established that man must work for that which sustains him and his loved ones.

I think it is a long way around the barn to claim this laid the foundation for everlasting torment due to sin.

 

Are you disagreeing with the many theologians who say that eating of the tree of life while in a state of sin would have confirmed Adam and Eve in an everlasting state of sin? Do you agree that sin itself brings misery? Do you agree that living forever in a state of sin would be miserable?

 

Equating "living forever in a state of sin would be miserable"
with Eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire, sounds like something
the devil would say.

Where are you getting these teachings?

 

So called "theologians" who make assertions without support in scripture are false teachers, adding to scripture with man-made speculation. Can you provide a link to one of the "many" making this claim?

 

You are calling Irenaeus, John Chrysostom, John Macarthur, Michael Horton, the ESV commentators, etc ALL false teachers?

 

I asked for a link to a theologian specifically teaching the doctrine, and I get evasion? What is up with that?

"eating of the tree of life while in a state of sin would have confirmed Adam and Eve in an everlasting state of sin?"​

Does anyone know where this absurdity is taught?

 

Uh...reread all the quotations I provided in the original post?

 

Philo of Alexandria, Irenaeus, John Chrysostom, Michael Horton, the ESV commentators, didn't even remotely say one thing anywhere near what you and John MacArthur said.

Why don't you try your questions like this on somebody 18 years old?

It'd take a fool to say ......Adam and Eve's possibility of partaking of the Tree of Life and living forever in sin has any relationship to the Hell, which is Eternal punishment in fire.

Their life would be like life is now, for lost people, and we don't hear you begging for a drop of water for your tongue.

The worst one was Horton, who says Adam would spend all duration or his posterity in everlasting death.

(When, actually it is neverending life in sin.)

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I already dealt with this on John MacArthur. This is a demonstrable, diabolical false teaching the two of you have embraced.

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Right, because "THAT depiction of everlasting torment" is simple living in sin, and no different that life on Earth today, endlessly, which is not "hell on earth", the way Satan and the lost would like to and have tried to call it, everyday.

For a Bible teacher to equate living life forever in a sinful State on Earth, to the actual and real torments of burning in an Eternal Lake of Fire is totally irresponsible, inexcusable, and false teaching, by a supposed Bible expositor.

God and His Bible are not involved in it.

Stupid.

From the A. King dictionary?

Show me that definition from Englishman's Greek or Hebrew, or any other Bible reference.
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Torment now is misery.

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One guy. Preaching to tickle the ears of the lost for big money and popularity for sales, and confirming to them the lie that an Eternal Death, suffering and genuinely tormented in FIRE FOREVER, is no different than their everyday struggle.

They might just be down with that struggle and so for them to fear Jesus Who can destroy both body and soul in hell is negated as anymore threat than they face every day, anyway.

They'll just adapt?

How about they would just be being plainly deceived?

 

-Philo of Alexandria: No mention of being in a state God could not alter.

Irenaeus - yes "irremediable" is mentioned but no support from scripture is addressed.

-John Chrysostom: No mention of being in a state God could not alter.

-Theodoret of Cyrus: No mention of being in a state God could not alter.

John MacArthur: Yes, partial support, they might life forever in a state of sin because God had decreed if they ate from the tree of life, they would have eternal life. But no mention of being in a state God could not alter.

Does Genesis 3:22-24 support the absurd claim? Nope