The Incarnation of Jesus [from Dougcho new member]

There has been a long standing debate concerning the “eternal sonship” of the Second Person of the Godhead.

You are correct to point out the God Man Jesus was born in space time to fulfill prophecy. He didn’t receive the name “Jesus” until He was born of woman.

But did God the Word (John 1) exist as “Son” to the Father within the Godhead from all eternity?

Many scholars believe that is true, in what they describe as an “economy” with the Godhead. Simply a reflection of how the three Persons within the Godhead relate to one another.

I always find this discussion interesting

peace to you

 

I believe in the Impeccability of Christ.

I believe He revealed God.

18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Jn 1

I believe when we get to heaven, He's all we'll see.

9 for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Col 2

 

I've seen theory after theory explaining the relationship of the Father and the Son.

The truth is that no man can explain it, and if he/her thinks they can they are deceiving themselves.

The mortal mind cannot understand that relationship, the reason I believe God made no effort to explain it.

But there's one thing for sure, if Christ had been born with a sin nature, He Himself would have needed a Savior.

Christ was not born with a sin nature! That was the purpose of the Spirit conceived virgin birth.

 

After the fall, the preincarnate Son is quoted in Genesis 3:22, And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . . .

Now the Son of God in His incarnation received the "knowledge of good and evil from two sources. From His mother and from Himself being God too.

So it is written, because He had became truly human, in Hebrews 4:15, For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

And that tells me Christ lived His life with the possibility of sinning, but didn't.

You can bet your last $ that Satan would not have wasted his time tempting Christ to sin if he knew that wasn't possible.

Satan is not stupid by any means, he's deceived No man has ever born into this world, other than Christ, that knows the Scripture better than Satan.

 

I see no one has addressed any response to "Dougcho" perhaps because the address is not easily found. I could not find it. Please provide a link to "Dougcho's" address and a link to the other thread.

Thanks Van

 

The Trinity and everything it entails, is not a matter of understanding, it's a matter of faith.

Pure blind faith!

 

12 And straightway the Spirit driveth him forth into the wilderness. Mk 1

Consider the possibility that the devil was also 'driven' into the wilderness.

 

The Scripture doesn't say that. When we begin to consider things such as this, we begin to enter into error.

 

When Paul was speaking of the sin nature, he said in Rom. 7:14,

"...but I am carnal, sold under sin."

Sin is sure with the sin nature. Paul taught us in Rom 6-8 that we can control that sin nature by walking in the Spirit.

So the sin nature plays a huge roll in our need for a Savior.

 

Man, you're a trip. Am I in danger of hellfire damnation for considering such things?

 

LOL, no my friend, you are not in danger of hellfire for considering such things.

You are only in danger of that by rejecting God's plan of salvation.

Now here we have a problem, what exactly is His plan, and exactly how do we receive it?

 

Trinity is the name of the explanation that the three Persons, God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are the one and same God.

 

Consider this; that Satan cannot touch one of God's without the approval of God, Job and Peter comes to mind. The Temptation had to be arranged, and I'm not convinced Satan was as anxious to confront Yahweh in the flesh as you say.