The Soul, the Aeolian Body, Death, Mistranslation of the Word Spirit, Identity of the Airflow of God

which two Trinitarian verses?

 

teknonoftheos

You accept this?

Jhn 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Col 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn ofevery creature:

Jhn 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Jhn 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


Was Jesus God in the flesh?

 

The Matthew 28:19 verse, which is quoted by early authors like Eusebius in their writings in its original way, "in my name", and the 1 John 5:7-8 verse, which does not have the trinity form in earlier manuscripts, which is why not even the ESV renders it in the trinitarian way. Its all forgeries, serving a greater lie.

 

You know he will not confirm that the Holy Spirit is a person.

He may not be a Hebrew Roots follower but he is very similar in his beliefs.

 

The "holy spirit" does not exist. It is a figment of your imagination. There exists "set-apart airflow", which is what your translators translate as "holy spirit", which is the form angels transform into, into the form of airflow, and that airflow is thus called "set-apart", which is incorrectly translated as "holy", because it is set apart from ordinary airflows, for in that body of airflow exists the living soul of an angel, which is why the "set-apart airflow" is described as having emotions, a will, is able to speak, is able to intercede, because it is an angel who has taken this invisible form of airflow, and through the airflow of the nostrils of man, is able to enter into man, and inhabit the body of a man. As such, when a prophet receives the "set-apart airflow", also called the "baptism of the set-apart airflow", he is receiving one set-apart airflow, while another prophet receives another "set-apart airflow", which is why the epistles say, "the airflows of the prophets are subject to the prophets", because each prophet has one distinct set-apart airflow. This is how the set-apart airflow is able to inhabit different bodies at once, not because he is some third mystical and omniscient person that is somehow everywhere at the same time just as the Father is, which your doctrine of the "holy spirit" teaches, but because these set-apart airflows are angels that transform into this form, and thus enter into the body literally, and inhabit the body literally. This is also why the epistles declare a plurality of the set-apart airflow, meaning that many airflows exist, because all angels are also airflows, "Hereby know ye the airflow of God: Every airflow that confesseth that Yeshuah Messiah is come in the flesh is of God", for when the scriptures declare "the airflow" as a singular noun, it is referring collectively to every airflow of God, just as "man shall not live bread alone" refers to every man collectively using one singular noun. Again, your understanding of the "holy spirit" as a third person is a figment of your imagination, which is part of the lie of the trinity, which is why we can clearly see that the trinitarian verses that exist in the scriptures are clearly forgeries. Until you understand this and stop believing the lie you currently believe in, you will never receive the set-apart airflow, and will thus, never inherit the kingdom of God, because you cannot inherit the kingdom of God unless you receive the set-apart airflow in truth. Receiving the set-apart airflow always comes with a manifestation of power, such as speaking in a different language unknown to you, or prophesying. It is not a figurative event, it is a literal event.

 

Has any body of believers (identifying as Christians) held this belief over the last 2,000 years or do you believe this is new revelation given to you to bring about proper interpretation of scripture? Which portions of scripture do you believe were corrupted/forgeries or added in order to support the doctrine of the Holy Trinity? When did this corruption/forgery take place and what evidence do you have for this?

If this is a new revelation, don't you think it is a little late in the day to be developing new doctrines, especially if belief of these doctrines is necessary for salvation. You mentioned in one post that participation in the American financial system prevents a person from being a 'true-believer'. Am I stating that correctly? You stated: 'Until you understand this and stop believing the lie you currently believe in, you will never receive the set-apart airflow, and will thus, never inherit the kingdom of God, because you cannot inherit the kingdom of God unless you receive the set-apart airflow in truth'. So, if I understand you correctly, every person who has been a Trinitarian has been lost over the past 2,000 years, right?

Here is what St. Paul says:
The Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For what person knows a man’s thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God (1 Cor. 2:10-11).

Paul makes clear in Romans 11:34 that no created intellect can “know the mind of the Lord.” Why not? In order to comprehend the thoughts of God, which are infinite, one would have to possess infinite power. The fact that the Spirit of God is here revealed to comprehend “the thoughts of God” would mean necessarily that He is, in fact, God.



I do have other questions but for now would you answer these?.

 

Its not a "new" revelation, its what the scriptures declare, and either you understand it, or you do not. God is the one who grants understanding. God has granted this understanding to a few people, which is why Yeshuah said, "few are the ones who find the narrow gate", and "many are called, few chosen", because few are the ones chosen to understand, who then enter the narrow gate of understanding into the kingdom of God,

When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. (Matthew 13:19)

But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.” (Matthew 13:23)

Where this knowledge is possessed by seven assemblies throughout the earth, only a small remnant, not just by me, hence the "menorah" with seven candlesticks in the temple of God.

Next, you can study when the forgeries took place on your own, look up the history of the two verses. I need not get into detail concerning the obvious.

Next, I did state that participation in the American financial system does indeed prevent a man from inheriting the kingdom of God, because you are participating in a system of interest and usury, which is forbidden in the Torah and an abomination to God. This financial system fulfills the prophecy of the "mark of the beast" in Revelation, and through its system gives you authority to buy and sell.

Next, a Trinitarian cannot inherit the kingdom of God, no different than a Jesuit, or a Catholic, or a Buddhist, or a Mormon, because these are all types of people that believe in a set of lies that prevents them from knowing and understanding the truth, to then inherit the kingdom of God through the knowledge of the truth. You cannot inherit the kingdom of God while you believe lies. The lie will prevent you from doing so.

Next, being "God" does not relate to being infinite, it relates to having authority, which is why Moses was called "God", and even angels are called "God", and also Yeshuah is called "God", because it relates to being the "representation" of God acting in authority of God, yet there is only ever one God, the Father, who alone is infinite, who is then represented by his sons, yet each in different measures of authority, with Yeshuah in highest authority. Even so, the representation, although called "God", is merely just a representation. As such, the reason the airflow of God knows the thoughts of God is because he comes from heaven, where God is. If I were a personal counselor of the president, then I would know the thoughts of the president, because I am near to him to speak to him. This same relationship happens with the airflow of God, for these angels, who transform into the form of airflow, live in heaven, where God is, and have intimate knowledge of the thoughts of God, who then descend unto the earth, and reveal those thoughts unto us on earth.

 

thechnonoftheos will probably not last long here.

He has indicated that those of us who are Trinitarians are lost. None yet have agreed with him.

What fellowship is possible?

Information has been exchanged and IMO that's as far as the matter can go.
I suppose (if he wants) he can keep us informed of further developments of his theology.

 

I am aware of your statements,but that is not where Trinity doctrine comes from

 

You are correct that it does not come from these verses, although these verses promulgated it into the gospel of our beloved Messiah, but rather, the teachings of the trinity originated from the ancient Egyptian civilization, which was then borrowed by various other civilizations through them, which ultimately made its way into Roman civilization, which in turn made its way into the Roman church, which in turn made its way unto the entire world through that church, which in turn made its way into most assemblies of the world today, including the Protestant ones that claim to have broken off from that church but still believe many of its false teachings.

 

You do not realize what you are and how God deals with us. It is logical that if you do not accept the eternal soul of man since you do not accept the distributed spiritual and yet singular physical God.

Was Jesus God?

Jhn 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

The soul is not eternal, for even Yeshuah said, "fear him who is able to destroy body and soul in Gehenna". Destruction means cease to exist. The soul is destructible, just as the souls of animals. You err in many matters, and rather than listen to me, you harden your heart more and more to the truth I am telling you.

 

you do not have a basis to learn truth.

It does not mean annihilate, apollymi means render useless, put out of way , useless



Do you sin?

 

You say your position that the Holy Spirit as actually the 'Airflow of God' is not a new revelation and is what is found in scripture but I don't recall reading of anyone in the history of Christianity that made such a claim. Surely you have evidence of your claim about this also. Again, I have found nothing that indicates that your position has been held by other 'believers'. Jehovah's Witnesses use similar arguments as you have regarding angels being called gods and Jesus being a 'little god'. JW's also refer to the Holy Spirit as 'an active force' but that is as close as I can find of similar beliefs as you hold. I see JW's as modern day Arians, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. Could you point me to some historical evidence of similar 'true-believers' such as you-other than your claim that 'it is obvious in scripture'? Thanks!

 

Cgavaria aka Christiang aka Teknonoftheos. Should have named yourself AIRFLOW. :D

Who actually teaches any of this stuff to you?

Rich kids self proclaimed prophets, Reinventing the wheel over and over.

A person last week found out Spirit means breathe, its how we get words like respiration but he doesn't know, so now he says he's the only one teaching it, makes big fuss about it. Wiki knew about it.

Mediocre Gnosticism, tomorrow he's going to find out Jesus was jewish then run around saying he's jewish.

Who's Yeshuah?:rolleyes: Tomorrow we gonna cal him "Jehovah is salvation" or "Yahweh is saves" or יהוה מציל


Point trying to make is you didn't say anything about airflow 5 or 2 years ago, back then was your prophecy that united states was going to be destroyed. Make it up as you go along.

Folks faith alone I don't agree with, The other extreme is Works salvation. When he re-re-reintroduces it remember to ask what does this mean:

1 Corinthians 13

3And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

 

I believe he is of the Hebrew Roots (HR) movement or has been heavily affected by them.

They are an offshoot of Garner Ted Armstrong The World Tomorrow and The Radio Church of God.

HR try to pass themselves off as messianic Jews. Though they say Jesus is of God or represents God they in no way believe that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh, true God and true man.

They categorically deny the Trinity.

So HR should not be confused with our brethren the Messianic Christians many of which like to keep the Feasts, the Sabbath, etc but believe in salvation by faith through grace NOT requiring law keeping.

HR requires law keeping for salvation (entrance into the Kingdom).

 

i agree, do not be mean to him. He is curious or he would not visit the site to teach us our errors, Recognize the Holy Spirit lead him here

 

Right, why be mean to anyone including those who condemn us as he has, bear false witness against us, etc...
What does it gain?

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

It's to be expected. In fact this is an area of obedience for us:

2 Timothy 2
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

So lets pray for him and see.

 

I remember Garner Ted Armstrong and the the TV program. If memory serves me, there was a split in the church with a large part embracing more orthodox Christian beliefs. If I am not mistaken, the group that holds to the original teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong are called Philadelphian's? And, the larger, more orthodox group is the WWCOG?

I also seem to remember 60 Minutes having a segment which covered the financial scandal that Garner was involved in. Herbert W. Armstrong had long since passed.

I wasn't aware that Hebrew Roots grew out of this. However, I can see where he might have drawn from the teachings of Armstrongism. I have a close friend whose brother is deeply involved in Hebrew Roots. I don't think my friend is aware of the background from
which they draw their teachings.

Thanks for your feedback, Hank

 

many are trying to be Jewish, and be Christians