There is only one original ten words God gave Moses. Any others are false presentations of God's word.
There Are Only Nine Commandments
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Christina1, Jan 6, 2024.
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Simply 9
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Catholic 10
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Protestant 10
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The Law was for Israel, to bring them to Christ.
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Christina1 Member
Verse 2 works! You found the missing commandment! I had to test this out in my mind to see if it really works. It does.
Scarlett made an excellent case for verse 3. It's solid. It works. And there's no doubt in my mind that if we had a Catholic scholar in this thread that we would have an excellent case for verse 17 as well. But still, there's something that causes me to hesitate. It's like there's this feeling that we're still missing something.
It's verse 2. That's the missing commandment. It's so easy to overlook, isn't it? It's subtle. It's not even stated in the form of a command. It's just this seemingly innocuous little introduction telling us who God is and what happened in Egypt and we easily dismiss it as irrelevant because we've read something similar many times before. And yet... Verse 2 holds an enormous treasure of an implication.
I AM the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
The implication is that it is God's desire for us to be free. But it's not just a desire. It's a covenant. And it's a command.
In other words:
I AM Lord your God, the God of everlasting love, wisdom, and eternal truth and you are my children who I love beyond measure. I have forever liberated you and your descendants from the land of bondage and slavery. My first commandment is this:
You shall not be a slave.
You shall be free.
So committed am I to your freedom that I have made it the first commandment. I will do whatever it takes to win your obedience to it. Because I love you more than you know with a jealousy that's hard to explain. I will send judges and kings and prophets to remind you of it and to hold you accountable when you stray too far away. And if that doesn't work, I'll take on the flesh of a man and teach you myself with miracles and parables. I will put you back in touch with your own freedom one way or another. I will do whatever it takes to keep you from being enslaved to anyone or anything, even if that means going to the cross. I'll go. I'll do it for you because I love you more than you know. Freewill I have given to you and in freedom I command you to live because you shall not be a slave. You shall be free, my child.
You shall be free.
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I've decided to withdraw my vote. I was wrong about there being nine commandments. There are ten. I will be voting for the fourth option, the option that's not listed in the poll. I'll be voting for Verse 2. That's the commandment that speaks to my heart.
The first commandment.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
As one who has lived in an idolatrous Buddhist culture for many years, making vv. 2-6 into one commandment does not make sense to me. The reason is that making an idol and worshipping an idol are two separate acts. One can make an idol but not worship it, thus perpetuating idol worship, and that is a sin. The idol maker must not be allowed to excuse himself by saying, "I made it, but didn't worship it."
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Exodus 20:
1 - verse 3 = have no other gods
2 - verse 4 = do not make images of gods
3 - verse 5 = do not worship images of gods
4 - verse 7 = do not use God's name without purpose
5 - verse 8 = remember the Sabbath
6 - verse 12 = honor your parents
7 - verse 13 = do not murder
8 - verse 14 = do not commit adultery
9 - verse 15 = do not steal
10 - verse 16 = do not give false testimony
11 - verse 17 = do not covet
Now you can alter the count simply by combining (do not do this or that, e.g. make or worship)
And we can find many "do or do not" commands in other parts of scripture such as verse 19.
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Scarlett O. ModeratorModerator
EXODUS 34:28 = "And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." -
Scarlett O. ModeratorModerator
EXODUS 34:28 = "And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." -
Your two and three are actually both one commandment, the second commandment. -
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Deuteronomy 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Deuteronomy 10:4 And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.
In all three instances, the Hebrew word is "ʿeśer" (Strong's H6235) and it totally means ten. The Hebrew word for nine is tēšaʿ (Strong's H8672) and is not used in these passages nor in any other passage that makes any reference to the commands which God wrote on two tablets of stone.
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By the failure to keep any of the previous commandments, one explicitly breaks the last.
However they are numbered, Israel's testimony of breaking these commandments is written in the pages following Exodus 20:
from the Golden Calf incident of Exodus 32;
to murder of the levite's concubine in Judges 19;
and Jezebel's false testimony against Naboth in 1 Kings 21.
Israel's only hope was their faith that God would one day send a Savior.
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While "commandments" is traditional, the Hebrew word here is "dabar" (H1697) which refers to a statement, i.e. a sentence, which might address both making and worshiping. -
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Scarlett O. ModeratorModerator
You said that "YOU [meaning me] can come up with 10 by combining two of them.
My statement that there were TEN comes from what GOD said, not me.
I don't really care what the word "commandment" means in Exodus 34:28.
But the word TEN is the Hebrew word עֶשֶׂר [eh' sher]. And it means - literally TEN.
I didn't make that up. God did. He is the one that says TEN commandments. Why do you dispute what the Bible clearly says?
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Christina1 Member
No Scarlett! :(
We need you. Your voice matters! You're an important part of the thread. Without you everything will unravel!
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Ten isn't merely traditional its the number that the bible itself gives, Van. The book that lists the commandments is the very same book that puts the number TEN to them. How does that not just totally end the discussion? How much more of an authoritative source do you need beyond the books written in the bible by the very man who ascended up the mountain and was personally handed the commandments from God's hand to his? -
I desire to own a Lamborghini but I wouldn't want it unless I could own it BY RIGHT. Meaning that it was either gifted to me by someone else who rightfully owned it or if I bought it.
It is unearned money that Paul is referencing when He stated that "the love of money (avarice) is the root of all kinds of evil."
Even God, who desires a relationship with us in spite of our sin, does not steel it but paid the price for it and now freely offers that relationship as a gift to all who will but except it. -
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Ten.
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Christina1 Member
Verse 1: The introduction to the passage. (Not a commandment.)
1) Verse 2: I AM declaration implies life lived in freedom is obligatory.
2) Verses 3-6: No other gods.
3) Verse 7: Taking name in vain forbidden.
4) Verses 8-11: Sabbath day holy.
5) Verse 12: Honor father and mother.
6) Verse 13: Murder forbidden.
7) Verse 14: Adultery forbidden.
8) Verse 15: Theft forbidden.
9) Verse 16: False witness forbidden.
10) Verse 17: Coveting another's things forbidden. -
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