If only the born again can see the kingdom, how is it you still preach Phariseeism's physical Kingdom? Perhaps the big problem is that only petty few are born-again?
There is no strong case for a 7 year tribulation
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Binyamin7, Sep 5, 2020.
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
Maybe I can then better answer you because I don't understand where you see the problem.
And stop doubting the salvation of every one that disagrees with you. -
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
The problem of the Pharisees was not that they expected a physical kingdom, it was that they rejected and/or ignored the spiritual aspect of the kingdom [righteousness (Ro.14:17), repentance (Mt.3:2)] that came with it.
Upon their rejection, they lost the prospect of the physical kingdom - for now (John 18:36) [that's not Christ teaching against it, that's Christ saying: "the physical kingdom has gone into mystery form because of your unbelief"] and all that was left was the spiritual aspect, which spiritual aspect was given to the church instead. That partial truth, that the kingdom has a spiritual aspect, is seen of you as the whole truth. The fact that there is a present spiritual aspect to the kingdom does not disannul the future physical aspect.
You see, you mock the Pharisees but you're doing the same thing:
- In their Jewish bias they could only see the physical aspect of the kingdom and rejected the spiritual aspect.
- In your Gentile bias you can only see the spiritual aspect of the kingdom and reject the physical one.
- They overlooked the 1st coming
- You overlook the 2nd coming
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! -
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Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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The Tribulation is the final harvest and the completion of Adam's punishment on Adam's descendants. All will die in this harvest. The church is taken out first, because the church contains those glorified and totally restored into Adam's Paradise, the Garden of Eden. It is now the temple of God per Revelation 7. The church will be with God, until this temple comes down as the New Jerusalem, after the last Millennium is completed per God's plan in Revelation 20. The New Jerusalem is part of the next reality, not this current one. -
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
Isa 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
- First coming with Second coming also in the background.
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
- The "special waiting room", the "safe space", until the tribulation (indignation) is over in a little moment (7 years).
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
- The 2nd coming at the end of the tribulation.
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