Timothy George comments

Jesus said it. It must be true.

 

I liked what Timothy George said in the the hyper-link you gave.

Wise words toward all who claim the name of Christ or preach His Gospel.

 

Allan,

Not so fast to applaud. It appears to me that the only conclusion Timothy George can come to is that every dead infant's soul is in hell.

And unfortunately, right after explaining it, he appears to take the "mushy sentimenalist" approach to truth. But love is both truthful and endearing. Anyone care to "link up" Philadelphia with Sardis? I'd say let's have Islam move out of the 8th century and Sardis move out of the 16th century into the 21st century.

But he does finish on a "high note!"

skypair

 

Perhaps the key words here are "appears to me." That alone gives us reason to suspect George's position. Why do you constantly return to this issue of dead infants? Are you desiring more clarity on it than God has chosen to reveal? It seems like this constant drumbeat as a way to disprove Calvinism reveals an underlying disatisfaction with the revelation of God on the topic. The revelation of God is not entirely clear. So why do you insist on this being a point of attack or a dividing line?

So you do agree with the Calvinist gospel then. It is good to hear.

I think his admonition to gentleness and respect would be greatly to the benefit of this forum.

 

I wasn't applauding anything per say. I stated that which I identified in the quotation box was

 

Well, I don't think Jesus was "giving the world the right" to declare someone to be a Christian or not.

The sense I get from this verse, in context with the next few chapters, is that the world will identify Christians by their love for one another (and so revealing themselves to be true disciples of Christ) and that will lead to their persecution.

peace to youraying:

 

I think He gives to each of us the obligation to choose. It appears that the 5-point Calvinist doesn't have to choose -- doesn't have to do anything. The "game" is fixed. His / Her team wins no matter what. They are in a select group. No matter what the other team does, they can't win.

 

I keep "going there" because I believe it is a major weakness of Calvinism. They don't understand sin nature -- they make everyone sinners from the womb -- then the have to find "another way" to explain that dying infants go to heaven. "Another way," Larry, is what Jesus said there WASN'T.

Those who come, Jesus will in no wise cast out. Re: "IF I be lifted up, I will draw ALL men to Myself." Jesus will draw and, if they come, they may be saved. Does that sound like the "Calvinist" gospel or the biblical gospel to you?

I think his gentleness and respect between Christians would be great! I can see where it could be terrible when dealing with Thyatira (since that is exactly what she wants you to do).

skypair

 

[qutoe[I keep "going there" because I believe it is a major weakness of Calvinism. They don't understand sin nature -- they make everyone sinners from the womb -- then the have to find "another way" to explain that dying infants go to heaven. "Another way," Larry, is what Jesus said there WASN'T.[/quote]you are incorrect. The Bible is what says we are sinners from the womb. The "way" that infants go to heaven is the blood of Jesus.

I am not aware of a distinction between the two. What you have described is the Calvinist gospel.

 

My, my, my, how we tweak the Gospel........

 

How are they "under the blood," Larry?? According to you, they are sinners in need of a Savior. How do they "get" one?

I believe the Calvinist distinction is that not all are drawn to Christ -- only the "elect" are drawn, right?

skypair

 

1)If as from your perspective, God knows that they will choose Him, why aren't they considered saved?
2)Do you think infants remain infants for all eternity?
3)I've always wondered about what Psalm 8:2:

Your thoughts?