Was There Alcohol in the Wine...

You've just reopened a can of worms. I give it to the second page until this thread no longer has anything to do with drink offerings...

I'm really not sure of the answer to your question, but I'm sure I can find some commentators somewhere who would have an idea.

Michael

 

Here we go.

"Round up the usual suspects!" (Captain Louis Renault, "Casablanca")

Ed

 

Where in the Bible does the priest drink of the drink offering? I know that it is poured out before the Lord, but did not know the priest drank some.

 

So how 'bout them Yankees, huh?

(based on the standings it should be "how 'bout them red sox", but we yankees fans will never go for that)

 

I'll take that as a 'I don't think the priest drank any of the drink offering.

 

Yes...all wine is alcoholic. **Personal insult removed**

 

I hate it when my avatar says "banned". I didn't pick it for my avatar, hmmmm wonder why it got there.

 

I don't remember seeing that.

 

All wine today may be alcoholic, but not all wine prior during Paul's walk on this earth and prior was alcoholic in content.

Context in the Word of God shows which is and which isn't alcoholic.

And why bring up a banned poster? Are you rejoicing in one who stood for the truth (I have read many of his posts concerning wine and agree wholeheartedly.) being put out of the board?

 

On the contrary...NOT all wine today is alcoholic. This technology didn't develop until recently. There was no way to stop fermentation in biblical times, so yes, all wine in the Bible is alcoholic in nature.

**Personal insult removed**

 

Wrong again.

Even the top non alcoholic wine company in the US, Ariel, will tell you their non alcoholic wine does in fact contain some degree of alcohol.
Historical accounts show that grape juice was indeed preserved just short of 100 years in a fortress in Masada. Columella recorded a wine that was preserved and the method of preserving in such a way that it did not ferment. Pliny, Aristotles, many others have recorded non fermented wines.

There were at least 4 ways to preserve the fresh juice of the grape to keep it from fermenting.

1. Putting the juice in an airtight container
2. By boiling the juice
3. By separating the gluten from the juice,
either by filtering or by subsistence
4. By fumigation (adding sulphur)

While the ancients did know how to preserve wines in their non alcoholic state, man through the deceitfulness of his own heart decided that just a little bit of alcohol won't hurt him. Man chose other ways to make wine in which they could have the alcoholic content.

 

As to HBSMN not telling the truth, I disagree. He gave scripture and history to prove his stance. He even asked for scripture from others to prove him wrong, yet none was given.

If it is legalistic to stand for God's word, then you may as well brand me as legalistic as well. God's Word is what I stand on.

 

He was given COUNTLESS Scriptures. That's a false accusation.

 

If only they would produce the Scripture to show beyond the shadow of a doubt that the wine was alcoholic all the time, then we would not be having this discussion.

But they cannot produce it, because it is not there

 

webdog,

I must have missed something. Can you give me a link to those posts to the scriptures he was given?

 

I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS IS STARTING AGAIN.

:tonofbricks:

Let's just copy and paste the entire previous thread.

 

Everyone was discussing the same Scriptures. The difference came with how each was interpreted. So...if you have a list of his passages (which is sounds like you have printed out and handy), then that is the passages that the opposing side was talking about as well. Much of the debate came on how to properly interpret each one.

Again....:tonofbricks:

 

You are referring to the falacies stated by Josephus. That's pure urban legend. There has been no documented occurances of fruit and / or fruit juice not fermenting for 100 years. That's almost comical. There was no air tight containers able to preserve fruit juice for that period of time. There was no refrigeration...but this has been exhausted enough already. There is such a thing as fact, and there is fiction. You espouse fiction, my friend.

 

Rather than copy and paste the entire previous thread, post the scriptures that show that all wine in Bible days was alcoholic in content.

That will be sufficient enough.