With such a well thought out and clearly articulated argument, how could anyone fail to be persuaded just because you have not bothered to provide even a single verse of scripture to support your empty opinions?
The only appropriate response is “Is not. You are.” :p
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What Is Reformed Theology?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Sep 19, 2020.
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Barry Johnson Well-Known Member
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There is nothing in scripture about Calvinism. The tulip is not in scripture.
There is no total depravity
There is no unconditional election
There is no limited atonement
There is no irresistible grace.
There is no perseverance of the saints.
I've tried to get Calvinist to prove these things exist and not one has ever done that. Oh they show scripture and then ad there interpretation. There interpretation is what they believe. It's not what scripture says
I have presented Jn 3:16 and they try to tell me that world means the elect. It does not.When a Calvinist presents scripture to prove what they are saying it always fails because when it's read in context we see it does not support what they claim it does. Man is saved when he believes in the gospel Acts 16:31 says so and I believe it. I do not ever see anyone saved with out believing first no where in scripture. Prove me wrong if you can.
No where in scripture does it ever say God elected any Gentile. Your doctrine is false even though you refuse to see it.
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The Archangel Well-Known Member
In Nehemiah 8 we have the Levites helping the people to understand the Law that was being read to them. Notice that v. 8 shows that the reading from the book was not sufficient; the leaders explained the text to the people ("gave the sense") so that they would understand what was being read.
So, it isn't quite as simple as "what the bible actually says."
What is more, to look at this verse or that verse, or even this passage or that passage, while ignoring the over-arching themes of biblical theology (Creation-Fall-Redemption-Glorification) is to ignore the meaning of the entirety of the Bible. So singling out verses and demanding a verse for this concept or that concept is really a quite superficial way to go about the things of Scripture.
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If no one can pluck us out of His hand why worry about it. Eternal Salvation is permanent.
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1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
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What you mean is there ignorance of God was so incredible they could not understand. But no you"ll sit there and try to tells us that God didn't make it plain enough.
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[Rom 3:10-12 KJV] 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
How many are righteous?
How many understand?
Who seeks after God?
Who does good?
What does scripture say without any “interpretation”?
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No wonder I can’t accept your “evidence” as proof.
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