What is the difference between Cornelius and the rich young ruler?

The lesson of the rich young ruler. He did not understand the sinfulness of man in need of the Savior. He addressed Jesus as the man as good. Jesus cited all of the Law regarding man to others less the commandment of "thou shall not covet." The purpose was the teaching that by the keeping of the Law no one can be justified. The young man left on his own.

 

What say you?

I gave my two cents worth in post #8.

 

Though this is a digression from the OP, I will address your question, hoping you are serious about the discussion.

James uses the word “justified” in the sense of “validated”.

Abraham’s and Rahab’s faith was validated by their works.

The same is true of Christians today. Our profession of faith is validated the works we do which God has prepared for us to do.

So, the point of Jams argument is the “works” that come after salvation are expected for those who make a profession of faith in Christ and in no way did our “works” prior to salvation cause God to chose us for salvation.

peace to you

 

Thanks for your comment in post #8.

I don’t believe God choses people for salvation based on the works they do.

peace to you

 

Honestly, how did you come to this conclusion from dave's statement?

 

What about them? Did Abraham and Rahab have no faith? Were their works coming from faithlessness?

 

The young man leaves because he is attempting to be justified by the law and Jesus, as Jesus always does, showed that no one is justified by the law. Even though the man had done much to keep the law, he still fell short of justification. Thus he left in sadness.

Humans have always been justified by faith alone. That faith, given to them by God, does the work God ordained them to do.

The reason why Cornelius is given the vision and God brings Peter is precisely because Cornelius had God-given faith to believe under the Abrahamic Covenant, yet he had not heard that the New Covenant had been established for all humanity to receive by God's grace alone.
Cornelius was one of the transitional person's who lived under the Abrahamic Covenant and bridged into the New Covenant.

 

Wow. ....the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2:13

Wow. ...Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2:24

 

That is your definition of work not the Bible’s. Works with regards to salvation is always referenced to the law not just any old action taken by man.

 

I have already said that you don't understand what you are talking about and this proves that

 

So let's see you understanding of what James says

 

A question only for the reformed, please.

 

Ok, but does God chose someone for salvation based on their works, however you define works?

peace to you

 

Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.

I have no desire to engage in witless insults with you. Thanks for the conversation.

peace to you

 

I believe the rich man must have lied about keeping the Law because this would mean he was sinless. Jesus listened to him He didn't Judge him. The bible clearly states there is no man with out sin there fore the rich man must have been a sinner and certainly lied about keeping the whole Law. Breaking the Law is the only sin under the Law

MB

 

my answer, that you just quoted, negates the premise of this question

 

Shall we look at all of Romans to see if your one sentence is definitive? Or perhaps all of James? It is tiresome to see people plucking sentences and creating theology from them. Moreso, you ignored the whole of what I wrote and plucked a sentence. In short, you have been dishonest.

 

Looks like you also hold to the Roman Catholic teachings from the Council of Trent.

"Justification by faith plus works."
Council of Trent: Canons on Justification.

 

Well no, it doesn’t. But that’s ok too.

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

Sure, I'm game. You go, boy.

What's tiresome and soooo redundant on this board is parrots like yourself that pick up a little Reformed Theology, get their brains sucked out and replaced with creeds and solas, never have an original Bible thought of their own after that and attack, insult, and criticize those that do exercise their Right Of Private Judgement.