What's your take on Bush, the New World Order,the Illuminati, 911?

Is anybody here who is into this stuff?
Or do you think that this is just conspiracy nonsense?
I don't really understand how christians can say that the freemasons and the illuminati are nonsense and at the same time believe in revelation. How do they think the Antichrist will come to power if there is no powerful secret government which is able to pave his way. :confused:

 

It is conspiracy nonsense. Not all Christians hold to the pre-mill dispy point of view. Perhaps, if you are interested, a good book to read would be "Revelation: Four Views" by Steven Gregg.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I agree, Joseph. It is conspiracy nonsense. :thumbs:

 

How can you be so sure it's nonsense?

When you watch this here you might think that there has to be something about it.

http://www.planetquo.com/The-Occult-Technology-Of-Power

These quotes are from people which should know it. :eek:

 

Tell you what. You read the book I suggested, which, BTW, also gives the argument for the Pre-mill Point of View, and I'll read your link. What do you say?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Better to just go back to sleep.

 

Sorry, but your link is for a website that is basically nonsense. But if you enjoy reading stuff like that, go ahead and have a ball. :smilewinkgrin:

 

Because deceptions are alluring -- we don't neet secret plots, secret groups, or secret governments to deceive people. Most people are deceived right now because most people are not Christians. There is even deception in the church -- the NT warns over and over about false teachings.

The conspiracy stuff is garbage. It bores me. :sleep:

If someone says there is a conspiracy, then it automatically isn't one anymore because the nature of a conspiracy is that it's a secret known only by a few. If there is stuff all over the internet about a conspiracy, it just disproves it. :tongue3:

 

I don't put any stock into conspiracy theories. As my wife likes to say "Don't attribute something to maliciousness when it can be adequately explained by incompetance."

 

Not to long ago (two years) I remember that if anyone used the word neocon they were accused of being a conspiracy theorist. right Ken?

The word Bilderberg would get the same reaction, well the Bilderbergs met in Germany last year and they'll be meeting in Canada again this year. CNN did a piece on them last year and admitted world government is their goal. It's admitted by the mainstream media but yet it doesn't exist. Go figure.

Bohemian Grove? Let's see what David Gergen had to say about it. http://www.lonelantern.org/downloads/David%20Gergen.wmv

Skull and Bones, let's see Rush Limbaugh called it a death cult just before he tried to spin it , Kerry and Bush both said on national tv it's so secret they can't talk about it. Webster Tarpley documents it's origin and history in his book. http://www.tarpley.net/bush7.htm

The North American Union? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1441807/posts So what does Phyllis Schlafly know? She's only a conservative constitutional lawyer, and has actually read and understood http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=8102

She is obviously a conspiracy theorist right? I mean ask most anyone here and they'll tell you the borders remain open so politicians can get votes and business can have cheap labor.

Does Satan need a network of men working in secret to form a world government? Nope, not anymore. It's all admitted all out in the open and all in
the documents for anyone to read now. It's only a theory to those that don't read them or suffer from a memory no longer than the last news cycle.

Did the serpant deceive Adam? No, he got someone else to do it for him.

Did I mention the Masons? Okay, Abert Pike's Morals and Dogma. Google it up and have a read it's about 567 pages of "Lucifer the lightbearer worship". But hey don't actually listen to a 33rd degree Mason, only listen to someone way down on the ladder.

 

I think it's very obvious that the secret government exists.
Just look at how everything fits together like a puzzle.
And what about the freemasons and the illuminati what do you think are they all about? :smilewinkgrin:

 

It's ALL true, Disciplex! The Illuminati, the Bilderbergs, and Skull and Bones are all out to get YOU!!!!! :)

 

I can understand not wanting to think about these things and wanting to deny them. I don't like what has happened to this country, but I don't see how any man can honestly look at the situation and say everything is on the up and up. Making jokes is all well and good, but it doesn't change anything.

 

It's no longer a secret, it's admitted and it isn't really a government. It's more like a conglomerated international fascism or neomercantilism.

Why waste your time worrying about freemasonry or the illuminati? Either you decide to accept living in a world government under a fascist rule or you decide to live in a sovereign nation under self rule. Liberty or tyranny? Make your choice and live with it.

 

Yes, it is neomercantilism, but that's not the only ism that seeks domination. The People's Republic of China has made it crystal clear that they want to become a major world power. There is also a possibly even bigger theat: Islamism. Page 729 of a Qur'an from Saudi Arabia states, "Isa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary) will descend as a leader of the Muslims and it is a severe warning to the Christians who claim to be the followers of Isa (Jesus), and he will break the Cross and kill the pigs, and he will abolish the jizyah (tax), AND ALL MANKIND WILL BE REQUIRED TO EMBRACE ISLAM WITH NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE. Emphasis mine. Interpretation of the Meanings of the Noble Qur'an in the English Language, by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan and Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Dar-us-Salam Publications, P. O. Box 22743, Riyadh 11416, Saudi Arabia. My copy of the Qur'an came from one of their branches in Houston, Texas! Saudi Arabia spends many millions of dollars every year setting up schools in other countries and selling their own very strict interpretation of the Qur'an throughout the Muslim world.

 

"But" doesn't excuse the globalists fascism.

They have cheap and slave labor in China, one reason the "free traders" love em and can't move there fast enough. Why should they have to pay middle class wages here when they can pay next to nothing there or bring cheap labor here from third world countries to replace our dwindling middle class? The globalists have sold us out in favor of their bottom line, all the while lying through their teeth to us.

Yep, and the oligarchy can't do enough to support them. Or rile them up.

 

And they are selling us all down the river because of money! St. Paul hit the nail on the head when he wrote, "For the love of money is the root of all evils." I Timothy 6:10 Modern Language Bible aka New Berkeley Version. The footnote for this verse states, "The love of money fosters such things as selfishness, pride, cruelty, and separation from fellow men and from God."

 

Not to mention that they're drunk with power and lust for ever more control. They use euphemisms like security, and safety but that's just to put a friendly smilie face on the mechanisms of control they're installing globally. Goebells and Hitler used the same propaganda, but they only controlled a national media, these guys own and control it through out the whole western world!

 

And some of them claim to be "born again Christians" also. It's hard to understand how a "born again Christian" would be dancing before an owl god.

 

What's got me scratching my head is how can any born again Christian continue to support them?