What I meant was that prevenient was an idea with no biblical foundation. I understand what Arminians believe in regard to the term.
Maybe you could be more specific. What are you asking God to do that He has not already done?
Why Do Arminians Pray for the Salvation of the Lost?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Dec 26, 2017.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite SupporterI just told you, it is the gospel
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So am I :)
HankD -
Do you believe that someone can be misled by Arminius?
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OK everyone by now you should know 2 things :)
1) I love to play "devil's advocate"
2) I have, as Dr Tom says "a warped sense of humor".
Sorry! or as Popeye says "I yams what I yams"
HankD -
Yes and No.
HankD -
I don't understand the question. Calvinists would have the same reasons for praying for the lost as would Arminians as both believe God knows the outcome (even if for different reasons).
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padredurand Well-Known MemberSite SupporterI don't know if Uncle Billy is of the elect. He may be saved at the last possible moment but the Lord will keep His promise. Violate Billy's will? Hyperbole much?
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No......just a little...:Laugh:Laugh:Laugh
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Classical Arminians don't believe that. Why don't SOME(A) Calvinists actually learn the position they argue against? It would be refreshing.
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Not Calvinists. Why would a true believer of Calvin's positions on Sovereignty pray about anything.
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Actually, you are right. That is why I wrote in another post earlier today that synergistic evangelicalism is a mixture of Arminianism and semi-Pelagianism. The errors are so intricately woven together that it is almost impossible to separate them.
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Because prayer is not about so much about God as it is about us. The Almighty, self-sufficient God of creation does not need our prayers. As our Father, He desires them. At its basic level prayer is the creature talking to the Creator. When we pray we are asking for God's will to be done, not our own (Mat. 6:10).
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The reason that Arminians and Calvinists pray for salvation of others is that they are willing to consider that they are not God, despite their variant understanding of the Scriptures, and are not willing that any should perish and are willing to pour out their souls with results that only God knows.
If you have never prayed for something that you don't think is theologically suspect, IMO, you have not poured out your soul to God in abject submission to both his love and his sovereignty. -
InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite SupporterBuilding strawmen is much more satisfying. After all, you can win every argument when a strawman is involved.
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite SupporterThat is not the question at all...The question clearly was what was the content of your prayer....type out what you ask in prayer??? you know the question but run from answering straight up, infact not one has done so, because you know it will prove the point of the OP.
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite SupporterNow....this is getting at what the OP was getting at...
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite SupporterSame issue...what exactly do you pray...just for random souls??? He is asking when you pray for close friends, and family in particular...what do you ask God? Do you ask God to do something that your theology does not say can happen??
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite SupporterAgain....no one asked if anyone knows if he is elect...the question is...do you ask God to do ANYTHING.....or if salvation is up to the sinner...do you pray to the sinner? or do you ask to be patient while uncle billy makes his decision?
The op is asking, if salvation is up to the sinner, if God has done all he can do...why ask anything in prayer then?
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