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Why do some think that abortion is NOT wrong

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  1. Salty

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    We also need to look at why some this it is not wrong.

    There bottom line is that the un-born is exactly that "not born" which (to them) does not make the baby an actual person.

    So, what is the most effective way to show someone that - from the moment of conception - a new person has been created?

    Then there are secondary excuses (not actual reasons) killing babies is big business which brings in a lot of money.

    How many abortions does Planned Parenthood do each year?
    PP killed 354,871 preborn babies during the 2019-2020 fiscal year. At an approximate charge of $600/abortion, that equates to about $583,350 every day!

    PP states that they need Federal $$ to help poor women. Well PP is NOT the only center to help.

    For every excuse - that PP comes up - there is a valid counter defense

    Bottom line - no need to Argue on this issue - we need simply to stick with the facts.
     
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    One question to ask, how come it is only not a baby when the person wants an abortion, but when they want to keep the child it is all of a sudden a precious baby they are carrying?
     
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    Because they are murders
     
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    I heard four arguments from two non-Christian friends this past week.
    1) The child would be neglected and mistreated do to being born in poverty. (notice the not so subtle idea that only people in poverty have abortions).

    2) Forced birth is wrong. (but somehow sex outside of marriage is not wrong)

    3) The fetus is not equal to a person after birth. (a common eugenics argument whereby society places more value on some stages of life and less value on other stages.

    4) A child with an uncorrectable genetic disease (downs syndrome, spinal muscular atrophy, etc, should not be caused to suffer, but should be killed out of mercy and love).

    This last one was once made by a former high school mate of mine who condemned my brother and sister-in-law as wicked and evil people for having birthed 3 children with SMA who all died before school age. This last argument gets my blood boiling.
     
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    Unborn children do not have the vote. Nor can they demonstrate, wave banners and hold up traffic outside Parliament or Congress, appear on Television news programmes or write to newspapers or on Twitter or bloggs.
    Therefore they are of little or no concern to our legislators and certainly less important than militant pro-death activists who can do all these things.
     
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    what is really scary though is to have to face a Holy God while supporting abomination of abortions for any and all reasons, and not to have the Lord jesus there as their advocate before the Father!
     
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    Yep. Murderers following their father Satan.
     
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    Yet children under 18 cannot vote - yet Congress and plenty of State/Commonwealth laws are passed......
     
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    Reasons some give for supporting abortion:
    Babies born in poverty are prone to live outside of the law.
    The crime rate dropped significantly after abortion was legalized.

    I’d guess that’s why some Republicrats are not really against abortion.

    Rob
     
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    My wife's cousin used an argument similar to what you've said. something to the effect of "good thing God values the life of the woman more than the fetus," but she made an FB post from a year or so back when she was pregnant talking about her "baby." Their logic in regards to the unborn is very much in line with the Nazis who determined who was human and who was a "parasite." Fetus is Latin for small human btw.
     
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    I had a Catholic friend who had spent years "in the trenches" protesting at abortion clinics. He said he had encounters with pro abortion people who would admit that it is actually a baby, they just want to be able to kill it.

    One additional factor is that the original birth control pills had three mechanisms of operation one of which was the suppression of ovulation. Another was a thickening of the mucus so that the fertilized egg could not implant into the uterine wall.

    Over the years they have decreased the amount of hormones in the pill (presumably for cost and health reasons). As a result the mucus mechanism may be the predominant method of function today. Since this would cause a de-facto abortion, One has to consider that surgical abortions in the millions may pale in comparison to the number of chemical abortions.
     
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    What a 'Conservative' Southern Baptist was urging before Roe was decided:

    San Antonio Express, November 6, 1969, p. 68

    "Dr. Criswell Favors Abortion Law Changes
    Dr. W. A. Criswell, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, Wednesday called for liberalization of abortion laws in the United States. 'I am in favor of liberalizing our abortion laws, because I'm a human,' Dr. Criswell told newsmen in a press conference during the Baptist General Convention of Texas meeting here through Thursday. Abortion will be debated by the convention Thursday morning. The Dallas clergyman who is a messenger (delegate) to the San Antonio meeting said that present U.S. abortion laws are 'very, very uncompromising.' He said much of the U.S. feeling on abortion resulted from 'theological doctrine that comes largely out of the Catholic Church.' The Roman Catholic Church is strongly against the idea of abortion. Dr. Criswell said, "The wife should have the privilege of aborting a conception." Asked his position on the belief that abortion is murder, Dr. Criswell said 'The child comes into being when God breathes into his nostrils the breath of life.' Dr. Criswell also voiced his approval of the Sunday Blue Laws."
     
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