Well, there certainly are a lot of men who act like children so she could preach to them... :Whistling
Women pastors
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by ntchristian, Feb 15, 2022.
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I simply find it hard to believe Paul would make the statement like that, and then give his reasoning as based on the creation and the fall.
Would the creation and the fall somehow change if women became educated?
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I use that example - as a reason that a female should not be a pastor
In addition - I refuse to use the word "gay" for a h0mose/al - as "gay' means happy.
I will not allow political correctness to take over our language.
Same reason, why I tell people that I am pro-choice -
I believe that ONLY the child should have the right to choose abortion.
I want people to fully think about these issues. -
Once they get you to use their terms, they win. It’s an evil demonic strategy that takes place under their noses.
One dude asked me how they think up this stuff. I told him flat out it’s demonic.
For example Critical theory, to criticise as a weapon, is just rebadged accusation like Satan the accuser. So they are using satanic weapons. -
The first pastor of memory for me was a woman. She started a Sunday school during WWII, and was still pastoring by consent of the elders (all male) some twenty five years after the war ended and the men returned. My grandmother started attending with my dad and uncle when my Grandfather was fighting in Europe, and was saved there. The woman pastored till her death in the early 70s. -
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tyndale1946 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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In chp 3:4-5 Paul states that one of the many qualifications is that he must manage his household well, in V. 3 he must be a one-woman man, etc. these are all gender-specific roles of the man.
This isn't a matter of women being educated, but a matter of obedience. Unfortunately (as in many other areas) the church has allowed secular think to shape its view. -
1 Corinthians 11:3 shows an order of headship put in place by God.
1 Peter 3 shows the beauty shown by Sarah through her humility and obedience.
"Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight.
For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear." (v.4-6)
I'd consider it more valuable to be seen as precious in God's sight. -
SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
1 Corinthians 11:3, 7-9
But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God...For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man. Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman for the man"
1 Timothy 2:11-14
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I do not allow a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression
1 Timothy 3:1-2
This is a faithful saying: someone who seeks to be an overseer desires a good work. The overseer therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, modest, hospitable, good at teaching
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God (ὁ τοῦ θεοῦ ἄνθρωπος masculine, with the article, MALE, not the generic use of ἄνθρωπος, which also includes woman) may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works
Titus 1:5-6
For this cause I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking and ordain elders (πρεσβυτέρους, masculine) in every city, as I had appointed you, if anyone is blameless, husband of one wife, having believing children, not accused of loose behavior, or disobedient -
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So just offering a different perspective, the obedience to God's natural order, and with respect to that order on the woman's part tends to be submission.
Even if you aren't going to submit to a husband, you will still have to submit to God and be obedient to the Word.
That same quietness and character precious in the sight of God in 1 Peter 3, in my opinion, is not limited to married women. It may be addressing wives specifically, but it brings up the character of a Godly woman.
Many women will study to have the character of the Proverbs 31 woman to prepare them for marriage while praying for a husband, but few will look to the example of Sarah.
"A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies."
Most of you seem to be men. Who of you would find a wife but go without bothering to acknowledge her character? The same example shown by Sarah should be built up in her first. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
1 tim.3:14-15 the word in the kjv lightest is the word MUST.
How the must behave in the house of God.
No gray area.
The woman was utterly deceived...was in transgression.
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In context, his reason to not have them speak is a very practical, theological reason within Ephesus.
Remember my point:
Women can, but men should.
1 Timothy 2:8-15
I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
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