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Some confusion seems to exist on why Jesus could not have been crucified on 15 Nisan.

15 Nisan is the second day of unleavened bread, the first day of the Festivsl of Unleavened Bread, and the day after the Passover.

The 14th of Nisan is Passover (it marks when death passed over the Jews in Ecodus).
The 15th is the day God delivered the Jews from Egypt.
The 16th through the 20th is Chol HaMoed.
The 21st is another high day.

No work could be done on the 15th and the 21st.
These two days were holy convocations.
The day was set aside for prayer and reading Scripture. This was a holy assembly.

Obviously the Jewush leaders would not attend a 15 Nisan crucifixion (they would be otherwise engaged). But also it would violate Jewish law.

 

You are getting stuck on a 8 hour period of time.

Bottom line - Either you ate correct or Scripture is correct. We can't have it both ways.

Your claim is that the Jews had Jesus crucified during the holy convocation during a time when work was forbidden and the Jewish leaders were engaged in the assembly at the Temple.

Scripture states that the Jews timing was kill Jesus prior to 15 Nisan, that no work was to be done on 15 Nisan, that it was.a holy convocation, that the Jewish leaders didn't enter the building because they wanted to eat passover which woukd continue on that holy day, that the Jewish leaders and the people woukd be otherwise engaged on 15 Nisan.

It is your counting vs Scripture.

I don't know the exact year. I bieve 33 is the best choice. I conceded it could be a Wendsday but I do not believe it is. @Alan Gross and I disagree on the day.

BUT it is posdible that @Alan Gross is correct and I am wrong.

It is not possible that you are correct because your timeline goes against Scripture. And all of this because you are stuck on the word "evening" not bring specific enough for your liking.

Simply put, Jesus could not have been crucified on 15 Nisan - regardless of day, regardless of year - and the Bible be correct.

 

It is the afternoon before Christ's crucifixion. But Scripture is also correct that Christ was crucified before 15 Nisan.

You pick one thing, misinterpreted, to say "Scripture is correct" while attributing other passages as error.

 

My point is that the crucifixion could not happen on 15 Nisan and the Bible be without error.

I don't know the year because we truly can't (I've been working off of the lunar calendar via a program, but the Jews used observation and we can't truly know.

What can we know?

1. We can know that Jesus was crucified on the day after (by our calendar) the passover was killed.

2. We can know that the 1st Century Jews killed the Passover in the early afternoon before the morning of Q4 Nisan.

3. We can know that Jesus was crucified before 15 Nisan.


How you put that together os your business. But you can't reject any of those three known points without denying at least one biblical truth about the timing of the crucifixion.

 

My point is that the crucifixion could not happen on 15 Nisan and the Bible be without error.

I don't know the year because we truly can't (I've been working off of the lunar calendar via a program, but the Jews used observation and we can't truly know.

What can we know?

1. We can know that Jesus was crucified on the day after (by our calendar) the passover was killed.

2. We can know that the 1st Century Jews killed the Passover in the early afternoon before the morning of Q4 Nisan.

3. We can know that Jesus was crucified before 15 Nisan.


How you put that together os your business. But you can't reject any of those three known points without denying at least one biblical truth about the timing of the crucifixion.

 

My point is that the crucifixion could not happen on 15 Nisan and the Bible be without error.

I don't know the year because we truly can't (I've been working off of the lunar calendar via a program, but the Jews used observation and we can't truly know.

What can we know?

1. We can know that Jesus was crucified on the day after (by our calendar) the passover was killed.

2. We can know that the 1st Century Jews killed the Passover in the early afternoon before the morning of Q4 Nisan.

3. We can know that Jesus was crucified before 15 Nisan.


How you put that together os your business. But you can't reject any of those three known points without denying at least one biblical truth about the timing of the crucifixion.

 

You, not Mark, identify it as 14 Nisan. You do this by going to Exodus (which contradicts Luke equating the Passover with the Feast).

This is what Mark says:

Mark 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed

In the 1st Century when was the first day of unleavened bread, when the Passover was killed?

It was the afternoon before the morning of 14 Nisan.

If the 14th was on a Friday then the killing and sacrifice of the Passover was moved about an hour earlier. But the latest the Passover would be killed was between 2 and 3 pm on the afternoon before the morning of the 14th.

 

@37818 ,

Let's look at your timeline with Wed being Nisan 14, but per 1st century Jewish laws.

Mark 14:12 would be Tuesday afternoon around 3pm.

Mark 14:22 (the meal) would be Tuesday at sundown.

Mark 14:32 (the Garden) woukd be Tuesday night

Mark 15:1 (Jesus before the government) would be early Wednesday morning.

Mark 15:13 would be Wendsday around 9am

Mark 15:37 woukd be around 3pm on Wednesday

Mark 15:42 (burial) would be just before sunset Wednesday



How do we know this? Because we know the Jewish laws.


Now, I favor Friday instead of Wendsday. This moves up Mark 14:12 about an hour (around 2 pm on Thursday) because under Jewish law if the morning of 14 Nisan falls on Friday then the killing and sacrifice of the Passover is moved up about an hour (probably 1.5 hours our time).

 

@37818 ,

I haven't looked this up (when it fell) but you may have -

As you probably know the Sanhedrin set the calendars and adjusted them as needed to make sure that Rosh Hashanah would never fall on a Sabbath.


Do you know the dates for Rosh Hashanah in the years we are discussing?

 

But you keep appealing to Exodus - NOT 1st Century Jewish practice or laws.

In Exodus the Feast of Unleavened Bread FOLLOWS the Passover.

And in Exodus it would be unlawful for the Jews to arrest, hold a trial by councel, hand Jesus over, attend an execution, and buty Jesus on 15 Nisan.



You are not being consistent. When it suits your ideas you appeal to Exodus, when it doesn't you appeal to Jewish custom.



Between 1 and 3 pm prior to the morning of Nisan 14 the pasdover was killed.

What day do you think that was?

 

Nope. Luke says the feast was approaching.

Luke 22:1-2 Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching.
2 The chief priests and the scribes were seeking how they might put Him to death; for they were afraid of the people.

Mark tells us this was two days before the Passover. But yes, the Passover was approaching.

Mark 14:1 Now the Passover and Unleavened Bread were two days away; and the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to seize Him by stealth and kill Him;

Two days away is aporoaching.....you are ignoring Scripture.


Luke22: 3-7. And Satan entered into Judas who was called Iscariot, belonging to the number of the twelve.
4 And he went away and discussed with the chief priests and officers how he might betray Him to them.
5 They were glad and agreed to give him money.
6 So he consented, and began seeking a good opportunity to betray Him to them apart from the crowd.
7 Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.


The Passover was killed between 1 and 3 pm prior to the morning of Nisan 14 and sacrificed about an hour later.

Your timing does not work.

 

Another point - Jewish sources (Jewish laws and writings) from Jesus' time are unanimous in stating that the Passover was killed on the afternoon before the morning of 14 Nisan.


One may argue that this isn't how it should be. But we know that is how it was.

 

@37818 ,

To make things even more complicated -

In the 1st Century there were two Seder meals (one on 13 Nisan and one on 14 Nisan). Both were considered a celebration of Passover. The first is refered to as seudah maphsehket.

Now, this was controversial with some Jews. BUT this didn't matter because the Sanhedrin made the laws.

That said, I don't believe this the meal in question (it was primarily for the Disporia).

Also, Mark fits well with Jesus eating the Seder meal and being crucified on 14 Nisan.

Another interesting point is that this is the typical Jewish Christian understanding.

 

The issue is "your truth" may not be true.

It is not something you should be dogmatic about.

How do you account for the Jews arresting Jesus, holding a trial (the counsel), and having Jesus crucified on a day of holy convocation?

In terns of the Law 15 Nisan was more significant an observation than 14 Nisan.

Also, what do you do with passages stating that the timing of Jesus' arrest and death was to prevent it from occurring during the festival?