America 1, Sharia 0

Will answer later, gotta go back to work. I wouldn't believe 99% of what is out there in English passing for information on Islam if I were you.

And Jews, if they are still Jews, come closer to denying Christ than Muslims do, since they believe that Christ was not the Messiah, who is still to come. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet. And yet there are children of God among both, I have no doubt.

 

Few PBs would defend ISLAM (which is different from "Muslims")! But few PBs would have done any research into Islam at all. I lived over there for quite awhile. But most PBs would believe Muslims are as much children of God as Christians or anyone else.

But at any rate, I am not writing to defend Muslims, but to prevent ignorance among Christians. We don't want to come off as uninformed.

I don't know how much you know about Judaism, but religious Jews do not believe in Jesus in any form.

 

Amity's profile says he "Hopes" he'll go to heaven.

 

Israel is a nation of Jews, Gods chosen people. They rejected their Messiah when He came, crucified Him, and as a nation remain lost. Anyone, including a Jew can become a Christian, just like many of us on here did, buy accepting Jesus.

Islam is a monotheistic religion from the seventh century AD founded by Muhammad. There are many problems with it but the glaring one is non belief in Christs diety. They view Him as one of a long line of prophets. Christ is their bitter enemy, whether they know that or not.

 

I noticed that. Since we have no answer with regards to salvation, a defense if Islam, the idea presented that Muslims are children of God it appears that someone has misrepresented themselves.

 

I am back guys. Will try to answer now. I work Monday through Friday, as I am sure most of you work also. Can only answer at lunch or after school.

Now first of all, we have some theological differences at stake here. I don't believe this is the place to answer all of them, and it would take an enormous amount of space. Raise them in separate threads and I will try to contribute. But basically, the narrower we define acceptable theology, the fewer people we will *think* are going to be in heaven. I have heard some people say there cannot possibly be any Hindus in heaven, then there are some who think there cannot be any Muslims or Jews in heaven, then some think no Catholics, some think no Methodists, etc., and some think no Southern Baptists, no Calvinists, etc. I don't see God's word that way at all. It is not for us to understand God's purpose in regard to those who have zeal of Him, but not according to knowledge. It would be presumptuous of us to assume that Christ can/ will only save those who happen to have heard and subscribed to our particular brand of belief. Like I said, we can go into the specifics in other threads if you want to.

Secondly, it is absolutely ridiculous to attempt to condemn an entire group based on the beliefs of one person. I believe quite a few things that I did not hear in church, and I am sure that you do, too. If I say anything that confuses you, do a search on the subject, ask me, or start a new thread.

Thirdly, the certainty of salvation has already been addressed in another long thread.

Lastly, I am female.

Now someone wants scripture. I could find quite a bit, but let's start here:

Matthew 25:31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

I'm not really sure what I think about this.

The airport is a private entity, so they can make up their own rules, but the street is public, so the airport shouldn't have say-so over who picks up passengers.

I do agree with the one point raised about the person who mentioned that they had wine in their luggage and was dropped off in the middle of the night on the street. That driver should face consequenses for that.

If the drivers have contracts or anything to work for the airport, then I would tend to agree with the decision.

 

btw, Allah is indeed the name for God in Arabic.

I used to work with and carpool with a lady from Egypt. She was a Coptic Christian and very much disliked Muslims, but she did affirm that Allah means God in Arabic; the language they speak during worship services.

Historically-speaking, Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Spiritually-speaking, only Christians can worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in spirit and in truth.

While I agree that Muslims and Jews believe that they are worshipping the same God as we, it is not possible to do so while eliminating a part of the God-head, namley Christ. That is basically saying, I worship the Father and the Holy Spirit, but not the Son. Is it possible to worship God (the Three in One) while disavowing any part of Him?

I think you all who are disagreeing on this are talking history and spirituality as if they were the same thing. They are not.

 

Good point, Bro. Reed. Muslims are in no way Trinitarians.

 

To me, that scripture teaches as plain as day that only Christ saves, but it is entirely at His perogative, not ours.

I am referring to that childish assault (which may not have been yours) as to whether "all Primitive Baptists defend Muslims." I ought to be able to share knowledge or an opinion without it reflecting on my church. I wish the rule that we have to share such personal information publicly would be changed. This is not the first time someone has tried that tactic on me, and I resent it bitterly. And I have never wielded this weapon on anyone else, either.

If you can't figure that out I am going to make no vacuous protestations of "Christianity." It means "Christ-like" after all.

I think works are the fruit by which we 'know' those who are Christ's, in any nation and of whatever faith they may be. Of course, this knowledge is not tantamount to certainty in any individual case.

 

I agree. If Christ died for someone's sins, then they are saved.

Then do not converse with me in the future.

That is true. My contention is that some 'non-Christians' do have Christ.

 

Don't like the word "hope"? Then take it up with Paul.