Apostasy JUST GOT WORSE!

Thanks for the compliment.

Let's make it a Potluck.

As a Christian, I am not interested in the world wide religion part of the above. But unity, love and tolerance is very important to obeying Paul's words in Ephesians.

It's not a debate. It's a fact that Catholicism is part of Christianity.

Let's hope so. Even if they aren't your friend, Christ tell us to love our enemies.

Please join us in the Baptist Theology forum and we can flesh that out. If it is so cut and dry and there is no way around it, you should easily be able to counter the points I made there.

That isn't up to you to decide.

People that defend it need to make sure they are even baptists'![/QB][/QUOTE]

:thinks for a moment: Yep, still a Baptists.

 

Soulman
"It is a false religion responsible for murdering over 59 million christians during the dark ages in the name of Christ."
"
I'd like to see some neutral source on those 59 million.
Considering that it's the equivalent of the population of the roman empire at it's height.

"Also millions have gone to hell believing in this false bride of Christ."
"
Considering that it has over a billion adherents at the moment, we are talking tens of millions, if not a few hundred. And let's not forget that faulty baptist teaching has also let many to hell.

 

What has saddened me most about this whole thing is that this man (The Pope) and he was only a man, died saying that he put his faith in the virgin Mary. I don't ever recall him give honor and praise to the one and ONLY Savior--Jesus Christ. Afterall, Mary needed salvation, too.

I want to focus my attention on winning the loss and not wasting my time arguing.

 

Definitely focus on winning the lost!

Elsewhere on Baptist Board:
The Pope on our relationship with Jesus

 

Bush is a WORLD LEADER, and there are hundreds of millions of RCs hearing his comments. What if he verbally assaulted EVERYONE with whom he disagrees, or snubbed the death-funeral of the Pope or any other world figure? Would that simply create that much more animosity against this nation?

Lost in the shuule caused by the Pope's passing is the death of Monaco's Prince Ranier. He was most likely on more intimate terms with W than was the Pope. However, he didn't have the world influence the Pope had.

Some say the President of the USA is the most powerful man on earth because he's C-in-C of the mightiest military machine on earth...but WE have more freedom than HE does! WE can freely criticize the Pope, the President of France, or anyone else we don't like, whise the President cannot.

 

I agree with roby...

As leader of the last "superpower" in the world, G.W. must be very careful as to what he says, as his words can either inflame or succor.

 

"Lost in the shuule caused by the Pope's passing is the death of Monaco's Prince Ranier. He was most likely on more intimate terms with W than was the Pope."
"
Did these 2 ever meet?

 

When world leaders die, the President represents the nation, not himself, not his sect, not even his evangelical constiuency.

 

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

 

The Thessalonians were familiar with
this saying of Jesus which we now find
recorded in Matthew 24:13 (KJV1873):

But he that shall endure unto
the end, the same shall be saved.

But some said of their friend "He got
sick and died before Jesus came to
get him, poor soul."

Paul addresses this problem in
a clearly pretribulation rapture passage
1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 5:11,
one of the most comforting passages in the
Bible.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 5:11 (nKJV):

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant,
brethren, concerning those who have fallen
asleep, lest you sorrow as others who
have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and
rose again, even so God will bring with Him
those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord,
that we who are alive and remain until
the coming of the Lord will by no means
precede those who are asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend
from heaven with a shout, with the voice
of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain
shall be caught up (raptured)
together with them in the clouds to meet
the Lord in the air. And thus we shall
always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons,
brethren, you have no need that I should
write to you.
2 For you yourselves know perfectly that
the day of the Lord so comes as a thief
in the night.
3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!"
then sudden destruction comes upon them,
as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.
And they shall not escape.
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness,
so that this Day should overtake
you as a thief.
5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day.
We are not of the night nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do,
but let us watch and be sober.
7 For those who sleep, sleep at night,
and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
8 But let us who are of the day be sober,
putting on the breastplate of faith and love,
and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath,
but to obtain salvation through our
Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep,
we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify
one another, just as you also are doing.

Later the Thessalonians wondered if they
had missed the rapture. Paul corrects this
in a second letter:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (nKJV):

1 Now, brethren, concerning
the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
and our gathering together to Him,
we ask you,
2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled,
either by spirit or by word or by letter,
as if from us, as though the day of Christ
had come.
3 Let no one deceive you by any means;
for that Day will not come unless
the falling away comes first,
and the man of sin
is revealed, the son of perdition,

The falling away that comes first
is the Rapture!
Then the man of sin is revealed, the
antichrist. Then the Tribulation period
begins.

While the KJV uses "falling away" here, the
English versions before the KJV used a
form of "departure" - again, the idea of
someone leaving this world as in the pretribulation
rapture/resurrection

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (Geneva Bible):
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall
not come, except there come a departing first, and that
that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,


There is nothing HAS TO HAPPEN before
the rapture.
Here are some things that could happen
before the rapture but they do NOT
have to happen.

1) The destruction of Damascus (Isaiah 17)
2) the Ezekiel 38 Gog/Magog invastion
(the Ezekiel 39 and Revelation 20:8
Gog/Magog invasion will be after the
Tribulation period)
3) the building of a Temple in Jerusalem
on Mount Zion north of and alongside
the Dome of the Rock.

But again, these things do not HAVE
TO HAPPEN before the rapture, they may
happen after the rapture; they could happen
before the rapture. They do not HAVE TO
HAPPEN before the imminent pretribulation
rapture.

 

You are the first person I ever heard say that ajpostasiva means "the rapture"! Apostasia means apostasy, not rapture! To say that it means "rapture" is a perfect example of twisting Scriptures to make them agree with your doctrine or theology.

 

I don't mind being called a BAD Bible Believing Baptist. I've heard BAD can mean cool, like phat.

As for being an apologist, I apologize for the truth, whether it happens to agree with "my side" or not. I have also been critical of the RCC in the thread in Baptist Theology and you are still welcome to join us.

If you are interested in a discussion about whether Peter was in Rome or not, there was a great discussion that happened recently in the Other Christian Denominations forum.

Peter in Rome

Good day to you too, sir.

 

JGrubbs,

I have corrected Ed on his interpretation of "apostasia," but he just won't give it up.

 

JGrubbs: "You are the first person I ever heard say that ajpostasiva means "the rapture"!"

Thank you!

Paul33: //I have corrected Ed on his interpretation of "apostasia," but he just won't give it up.//

God bless you, you are too kind

2Th 2:1 (Geneva Bible):

Now we beseech you, brethren,
by the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ,
and by our assembling vnto him,

What we are discussing here (the difference between
the post-trib rapture only and the pretrib rapture)
is the meaning of "and" in this sentence.

IMHO the 'and' connects two seperate but similar
events:
1. the pretribulation rapture/resurrection and
the assembling of the saints
2. the post-tribulation coming of our Blessed
Lord and Savior to destroy the anti-christ and
set up a physcial earthly millinnial kingdom.

Where in the balance of Thessalonians chapters 2 or 3
is the "assembling" mentioned again?
Only in the "'apostasiva' of 2 Thess 2:3.

 

Greg Sr,

I gotta ask, do you think that all Catholics are going to the lake of fire?

 

How Catholics get saved:

Romans 10:9 (Confraternity Edition):
For if thou confess with thy mouth that Jesus is
the Lord, and believe in thy heart that God has
raised him from the dead, thou shall be saved.