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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by George Antonios, Apr 25, 2020.

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    Supreme irony this evolutionist teacher promotes disobedience to Mathew 5:48!
     
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    Thank you, but that did not relate to the OP.
     
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    So the OP's stated understanding is correct then.
     
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    No, as I am just having them obey the teachings of scriptures!
     
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    Perseverance is by continuing in faith in His grace.
    Repentance is not about confessing sins but in believing His grace alone saves.
     
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    Hypocrites don't obey the teaching of scripture in Mathew 5:48 but go around commanding others to obey!
     
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    Jesus commands us to exercise church discipline, especially towards those in leadership positions!
     
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    John tells us to confess our sins, do you?
     
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    Fine, but what about the question in the OP?
     
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    Given the fact that only 1, or now 2 people only have actually addressed the OP, I take it that most Calvinists have not ever thought upon the issue as presented in the OP?
     
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    We all shall die in a state of having some sin not repented of, as no sionless perfection state in this life!
    Think the Calvinist/reformed viewpoint is that someone really saved and having a new nature and indwelt by the Holy Spirit shall have the conviction concerning their sinning, and they will not be able to just keep on living in known sinning, but will eventually come to a place of repentance and confession of that as sin...
    Basically, those who are his own will know the convicting of the Holy Spirit as see it as wrong and sinning, while those still lost could care less!
     
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    So church discipline need not be exercised over christians in non-leadership positions?

    Secondly, when will you who trust in your works, exercise church discipline and first kick yourself out for blatant disobedience to Mathew 5:48?
     
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    Usually hypocrites claim they know the moral law stated in Mathew 5:48 but excuse themselves by repenting only over sins which they claim as "known". How can some sins be unknown if they claim to know the moral law by which they judge other christians and kick them out of the church?

    Moreover, they claim they have unrepentant sins till their last moment. Thus in their own words, they admit their repentance is absolutely incomplete. Yet they keep trusting in their incomplete repentance & not in His grace, to prove they are saved! Thus their claim to be saved is phoney.

    Thirdly, they ridiculously claim the Holy Spirit only convicts them of "known" sins. But the truth is, the Holy Spirit convicts them of all their sins and convicts them as total sinners before God according to the standard set by the moral law. The Holy Spirit also tells them they have no option but to prove they are saved only by His grace. But these hypocrites don't hear His voice and instead keep trusting in their bogus difference between known and unknown sins & thus they remain lost.
     
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    Usually hypocrites claim they know the moral law stated in Mathew 5:48 but excuse themselves by repenting only over sins which they claim as "known". How can some sins be unknown if they claim to know the moral law by which they judge other christians and kick them out of the church?

    Moreover, they claim they have unrepentant sins till their last moment. Thus in their own words, they admit their repentance is absolutely incomplete. Yet they keep trusting in their incomplete repentance & not in His grace, to prove they are saved! Thus their claim to be saved is phoney.

    Thirdly, they ridiculously claim the Holy Spirit only convicts them of "known" sins. But the truth is, the Holy Spirit convicts them of all their sins and convicts them as total sinners before God according to the standard set by the moral law. The Holy Spirit also tells them they have no option but to prove they are saved only by His grace. But these hypocrites don't hear His voice and instead keep trusting in their bogus difference between known and unknown sins & thus they remain lost.
     
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    Does John tell you to excuse yourself by not confessing sins which you claim as "unknown"? Does John tell you your confessions and not His grace saves you?
     
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    All churches need to especially watch over those in spiritual authority and leadership!
    If I refuse to deal with known sin issues confronted over, a problem. but if say a well known pastor /teacher refuses, really bid issues!
     
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    So pastors and bible teachers who are doing known sins should just be allowed on their merry way, as none are "good enough" to challege their behavior?
     
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    John tells us that we shall all still have degrees of sins even after saved, and to keep our fellowship with the father need to confess and get recleaned by blood of Christ!
     
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    You very well know you are not sinless according to Mathew 5:48. How then do you excuse yourself from being kicked out of the church claiming your sins are "unknown"? People are observing the stupidity of your replies!!!
     
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    Are you recleaned to the position where you become sinless?
    What do you mean by recleaned when you simultaneously claim you can never be "sinless"? Don't utter nonsense.

    When you claim you can never be "sinless", how do you say you keep fellowship with the Father by your "false claim" of being "recleaned"?

    Don't be a hypocrite by denying grace through Christ's blood as the only means christians can gave fellowship with the Father. Are you ashamed to acknowledge His grace because of your pride in your false state of being recleaned?

    Live holy but don't think you can ever be clean in order to have fellowship with the Father. "Your cleaned state" is not the way to fellowship with the Father but rather the "perfectly clean Christ" is the way to fellowship with the Father. Strive to live holy but don't worship your cleaned state! Worship Christ!
     
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