Bible teaches total abstinence from alcoholic beverages

Thank you, Brian. That was exactly my point.

 

No one is claiming that.

It is not a sin to have a coffee (well, for some it might be, if they doubt their liberty in this area), and it is also not a sin to abstain from coffee. Both are "right".

Perhaps for the same reason that those who don't drink list theirs ("I am thankful that it has been so long since I drank a beer that I can't remember my tolerance level", etc.)

 

This is my last post on this, well, lets just say, "not so smart" topic.

Everything that I know tells me drinking is wrong. If drinking is okay, then we should be able to drink at any time and not stumble our brother. If drinking is okay, then it would be honoring to give God a toast before each church service. People that say, "I like the taste or I like a little with my meal" then drink odouls and/or try a soda pop with your meal.

Ever hear of Billy Sunday? Here is his famous "Booze" sermon. If you have time, read it.
http://www.biblebelievers.com/billy_sunday_booze.html

 

Perhaps for the same reason that those who don't drink list theirs ("I am thankful that it has been so long since I drank a beer that I can't remember my tolerance level", etc.) [/QB][/QUOTE]

Brian that may have been my quote about the tolerance level but I must say that if anyone is offended by that then maybe something is bothering them.
Murph

 

I don't think anyone was offended, but if they were, haven't you been arguing that it's the *offenders* responsibility to stop offending, rather than fixing the offendee?

 

Do you know about Rom 14 where it says "there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean" and "All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence" and "Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth"?

Rom 14 says it's OK *unless* we are causing our brother to stumble.

If everyone present was in agreement with that, it would be fine.

Sometimes I do drink cola. I like it, but health-wise it's very nasty. Poison, one might say.

Ever hear of Kenneth Gentry Jr.? Here's his excellent book "God Gave Wine". I'll read Sunday's sermon if you read Gentry's book.
http://www.godgavewine.com

[ November 10, 2002, 11:30 PM: Message edited by: BrianT ]

 

I think it is because some (not you, necessarily) have insinuated that those who drink at all are all drunkards, or that it is impossible to drink a little without it eventually becoming an addiction. People list their drinking habits to counter these accusations.

 

to whom it may concern: check ya'll's bible out ;i think drinking is the one sin that GOD put a double curse on. myself i can't,ex-alcohalic; should be in O.T.,something about the buyer&seller.-the curse that is...
hope this helps someone!!!! bill

 

Jesus drank wine in the New Testament. Alcoholic if we refer to his statement about new wine into an old wine skin (fermentation process) Was He then under an Old Testament Curse? Absolutley not.

 

I made an effort to extend an olive branch to those who insist on drinking, but sadly Brian slapped it from my hand. It is funny that some are now clinging to romans 14 because some time ago the words of paul concerning offending the weaker brother were not accepted. I hate drinking of any sort because of it's social harm. All who drink are not alcoholics but some are and I am certain new ones are indoctrinated each day. I cannot see that the pleasure of drinking can be worth the risk of harming anyone. I also cannot see how drinking edifies anyone. We have a large childrens ministry and many of these children come from homes that are negatively affected by drinking, so in my view they should never have to be exposed to a drinking christian. Some on this board may never understand that but it is my view. In closing having had the olive branch slapped from my hand be advised that pro drinking posts will be edited.
Murph

 

I think those who are teaching the Bible teaches total abstinence from alcohol are at a major disadvantage and I am disturbed that a moderator would edit posts of those that disagree with his position. For the record, I don't drink and I can't stand the smell of alcohol and don't care to be around alcohol. I do believe an argument can be made against the consumption of hard liquor or liquor that is designed to give one a Buzz from scripture. I think stronger arguments could be made for the total abstinence from tobbacco since it is a additive behaviour that goes under the lusts of the flesh.

I don't social drink because of a number of reasons,

1. In the Deep South it is associated with worldliness and it would ruin my testimony and would cause others to stumble.

2. The Alcohol industry is a evil industry that exploits the young and lobbies state legislatures not to lower the alcohol blood level for DWI'S. C.H. Spurgeon quit drinking for the very reason of the corrupt nature of the alcohol industry.

3. Alcohol smells like sewer water.

 

That post was an olive branch???

- "you and others are acting unbiblically"
- "I feel this scripture points out the fact that we should keep it to ourselves"
- "My problem has been with the description of how some drink."
- "keep the details off this forum as airing it would seem to go against the scriptural mandate you quoted"

Can you point out the olive branch? It must be buried under your comments that I am unbiblical and should be quiet. I slapped nothing away, I simply expressed surprise that in a *fundamental* *discussion* forum, we we're told we shouldn't *discuss* something that the Bible talks about.

I will never slap an olive branch away.

 

Murphy,

I accept the olive branch, and agree both sides should be more respectful.

However, I don't think anyone is "boasting" about drinking. Some posted that they drink, not to boast, but to correct the view held by some here that drinking = drunkeness, that use = abuse.

However, I will strive to avoid mentioning specific application of the liberty that scripture gives us, if that is your wish.

Brian

 

I sorta' liked the way that truce was reached. So, on the lighter side, I would suppose that all excessive drinkers began drinking in "moderation?" ...

Genesis 1:29  ¶And God said, Behold, I have given you every every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat..

Guess the Bible made it okay for one to "eat" marijuana, huh?

[ November 11, 2002, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: JIMNSC ]

 

But why? Oh, Lord, how long, how long?