Biblical Chastening

I believe this but I don't think you do for you say, after salvation that the saved can commit ever sin known to man.

2Pe 1:20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

No, I accept scripture though.

 

Romans10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Goodness more works based salvation what shall we do?

 

This is why you can't explain 1John 2:1 "If any man sin..."
It defeats your theology.

Psalms 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.
--Will you explain this one for me Bob.

 

This is why you can't explain 1John

1Jo 3:8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


1Jo 3:9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Are you of the Devil DHK:??

You lost me on this one DHK:. What is your point? Where else could we put our trust and it not fail?

 

1. James, "Believe on", "Faith in", "exercise faith" all mean the same thing.

2. If you think either one involves works, then you are on your own.

 

You want to take some figures of speech literally:
He remembers them no more.
He hides them behind his back.
He casts them into the deepest sea.

All of the above have to do with our sins. You want to take the word "remember" literally, taking away from God's omniscience.

But when I show you some other obvious figures of speech you admit that there is no other way to understand the verse except to admit that it is a figure of speech for we all know that God is spirit, a spirit has not wings.

 

1. As I expected you still cannot explain 1John 2:1.
2. To infer that I am of the devil is the lowest form of debate. It only shows that you have no answers. You have lost your own debate. And furthermore you have posted against the BB rules.

 

You ever see one?

 

I was referring to the scripture 1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; You are the one who says you sin all the time. I didn't think you fit the scripture but if someone commits sin according to John is of the devil, not me.

You cannot answer this one.

I can answer your scripture, it is talking about the flesh and not the inward man which is born of God, but commits a sin not unto death. As Jesus said, there is a sin not unto death.

1Jo 5:17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death

I apoligize for asking if you were of the devil. I just wanted you to know what scripture says about one who sins as you say the saved does, such as adultery.

1Jo 3:8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

When you sin, as you continue to say that you do, it is not of God is it. Who is your sin of?



all scripture, as always. Not figures of speech, as you continue to use.

 

What are you talking about do you get chastise for what you do wrong in Gods sight because what it tells me that your a bastered and not a son that is if you do not get chastise. But you still have to confess that you sin and you still get chastised for that sin. Have you ever got chastise by your father? Did he chastise you for doing something wrong? Did you learn from that?That you should not do it again? I chastise my kids because I love them and I want them to know they done wrong. How can they learn that that was wrong if I do not show them. You don't get into trouble because someone else sin. You got into trouble because you sin. I don't thank God hates us because if he did he would let us go all the way to judgement unpunish and then condem us with out telling us that we did wrong before him. I am glad and thank him that he chastises for what other way shall I learn. I am glad I don't have to learn it in hell and that he loved me that he chastise me so I will learn not to do it again.

 

Yes I understand that more then anything. I know that there will be a punishment for eveything we do. I thank him that he is letting me know now before it is everlasting to late. Do you thank a man has told me that I have done wrong? NO GOD has told me that I have done wrong there is non good no not one they have all gone out of the way became filthy. I do not trust man I trust in God.

 

Bob when you continue to quote Scripture out of context, and not listen to what others tell you of the actual meaning of the verse you find yourself in deep trouble with other parts of the Bible which teach contrary to what you believe or your own theology. For example:

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Now according to the Scriptures, and your own method of literal interpretation: you have deceived yourself, the truth is not in you, you have made Christ a liar, and His word is not in you.

All of that just because you claim you cannot sin. You contradict the Scriptures.

 

And you accuse me of going against BB rules.

I guess, you will answer these scriptures for me then? You would not want to be hypocritical and do what you accuse me of?

1Jo 3:9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Pe 4:1¶Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Hbr 10:26¶For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Also, you gave no answer for this one.

 

1. James, by "exercise faith" in the context of salvation means the same thing as "believe on/in" as in Acts 16:31.

2. You are the one who went to Noah; it wasn't me. I'm not addressing Noah.

3. The books of James is talking about something else. I'm talking about Eph 2:8 and "Through faith." "Through" is the Greek preposition dia and faith is pisteos, dia plus the genitive of pistis, here conveys instrumentality, "through faith."

 

Bob I am tired of playing games with you. You say you can give me an answer to 1John 2:1, but to do so you turn around and give me Catholic theology. Here is your so-called answer.

Note that I had asked for an explanation of 1John 2:1. I will post the verse for you, so you can't miss it.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Bob, when you sin with the flesh you sin inwardly. You can't separate your flesh from your spirit. There are not two kinds of sins. I don't know how you objectively think this out. Can you extract your soul and spirit from your body, and sin with your flesh without using your brain (soul and spirit). Your differentiation is absolutely ludicrous. Everytime we use our flesh to sin, we use our souls and/or spirits to sin. The one cannot sin without the other. All sins are against God. That means that all sins are spiritual sins. In David's confession of his adultery and murder he said: "Against thee and thee alone have I sinned." So was it inward or of the flesh? All you have is a Roman Catholic differentiation of venial and mortal sin arbitrarily set by yourself. It isn't biblical.

So give a decent answer to 1John 2:1
"If any man sin" Why does John leave that door open?
Why does he expect believers to sin--implicit in that phrase "If any man sin"?
What is an advocate for?
Why does Christ have to be our advocate?

Explain this verse by answering these questions, and don't go off on other bunny trails. Do you think you do that this time Bob?

 

Amy:

James Newman:

Do you think you are going to run and do mischief in heaven?

The punishment takes place after you die, right? What mischief will we be doing in heaven after we've received our 1000 years of hell?