CAFTA vote story

The trouble is that your fears are unrealized because this is a minor deal.

It is like the far right's calling the war illegal. If they went to federal court, it would be thrown out. If you went to federal court over this minor deal, you would be thrown out.

I guess that the far right would not make a deal even to end abortion--they are so clean and so above everyday life and they just eat sausage and they don't want to know how it is made or want to see it made. Oh, you mean people really make deals just like at a used car lot?

CAFTA is good. Hoosier Congressman Dan Burton says that we need to encourage trade with the democracies nourished by President Reagan and that we need to encourage investment to leave Europe and China and go to Central America.

 

You mean the federal courts that claim that the U.S. constitution contains a right to abortion?

 

Yeah those federal courts? Right on Ken.

 

Look if you want to know why the Republican Party passed CAFTA, look at the video or read the transcript of what Rep. Dan Burton said on the floor of the House. Burton is Chairman of the sub-committee on the Western Hemisphere, a sub-committee of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

It abolished tariffs on US goods going into Central America, it helps nuture the democracies preserved by Reagan, it helps keep people in Central America instead of causing them to flee here, and it is part of America's vital interests to have good economic ties with Central America.

http://www.house.gov/burton/

 

Would you like to talk about "manipulation " of the rules by democrats in the Senate?

 

Doesn't matter. 15 minutes is the MINIMUM time. Perks of being the majority. Get over it.

 

If all that was being intended was to eliminate tariffs, then a single sheet of paper would have sufficed for the terms of the agreement.

As far as keeping folks from fleeing here, putting the military at the borders should suffice for that.

 

If they keep going down the road they are traveling, then they just may not be the majority come January 2007.

 

I think that the Democrats' abuse of the filibuster rule in the U.S. Senate has been shameful.

 

Here's another "no" vote the people didn't get in their struggle with Leviathan:

"In addition to Taylor, Rep. Jo Ann Davis, a Virginia Republican, also planned to vote against the measure. But Davis was traveling in her district and failed to get back in time.

“The intention was to be there. Again, she wasn’t able to get back in time because of the weather,” said Davis’ chief of staff Chris Connelly."

- SOURCE

This vote plus Taylor's that didn't register would have made it a 217-217 tie and Leviathan would have lost.

 

Yes, and I am sure that we can take the Lady from the great state of Virginia at her word.

Haven't you ever been in the sausage factory before? Hope it doesn't ruin your breakfast to see how it is done. Glad that you are too principled to do anything like that for any reason. Know what? You eat sausage and leave the manufacture of it to others if you don't like the way it is made.

 

I ain't backin' down from Leviathan and its supporters, cmg.

 

Me neither Ken, it smells more like globalony than sausage to me.

 

Hawley and Smoot? Do you wear buckles or buttons on your shoes instead of shoe strings? Maybe WalMart will bring in some cheap shoes from the Dominican Republic or somewhere with velcro or shoestrings for ties and you can get rid of those buckles or buttons.

 

JGrubbs, I don't know if I support FTAA yet, I haven't really looked into the situation. If the reason you oppose CAFTA is because of the world government slant, I will not argue with you. Although I am of the opinion that it will happen when it is time, and there is nothing that can be done about it. The world government is necessary for God's plan to come to a close for this world.

However, world government isn't the reason most people I have encountered are against CAFTA. They claim that the US will lose jobs, it will hurt our economy, etc. Those claims are the ones I take issue with. I don't believe them to be true, and I have yet to see anyone make an argument that would come close to changing my mind.

 

I am not saying we should try to make it happen. I am saying that we cannot keep it from happening when it is time. Thus, I don't worry too much about the notion of one world government. I do not believe it can happen until it is time, and I do not believe it can be stopped once it is time.

CAFTA won't hurt for one simple reason. The companies that were looking to relocate for cheaper labor already have. There won't be a sudden rush to Central America from companies in the US. It may, and I believe will, hurt the Mexican economy as several jobs they gained due to NAFTA will leave them for even cheaper wages. But, if a company didn't seek to take advantage of the provisions of NAFTA, you will never convince me that they are waiting to run now.

I believe that this will lead to more affordable products, an expanded market for American goods, and result in a general boost in the economy. If I am wrong, I will be proven wrong. But, none of the talk about CAFTA has convinced me. We will have to wait and see. I believe that people will generally not notice. Those that do will be pleased.