Featured Calvinism is Internally Inconsistent

Salvation is offered to all via the gospel message Joh 3: 14-17; Rom 1:16; Eph 1:13; Rom 10:14 Do you think that only your so called elect hear the gospel? Even those that hear have to make a choice believe or reject. Your theology requires that God wants all to be saved but really only some. So your theology makes Him seem schizophrenic or disingenuous. Your choice.

 

Do you mean this "so called" elect?
Romans 8:33
Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
Romans 11:7
What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Titus 1:1-3
Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness, in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began and at the proper time manifested in his word through the preaching with which I have been entrusted by the command of God our Savior;

Silverhair, it's not "so called" it is God taught, thus saith the Lord.

 

No it is not.
The Gospel is the good news of salvation to and for God's elect.

Yes.

Please see John 8:43-47.
Only those who are of God hear and believe God's words.

As for the elect being "so-called", God's word is very explicit about who they are...
They are "the whosoever believeth" from the heart my friend.

 

No, they do not.

His people automatically believe their Saviour's voice when He calls them through His word and by His Spirit,
while those that are not His people do not hear His words, nor do they truly believe them.

My theology comes from reading and understanding His words, Silverhair, and nothing more.

I do not make requirements of Almighty God.
He does as He wishes in the armies of Heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth ( Daniel 4:35 ).

Not "my choice"...
if it were up to me, I'd have thrown me in Hell where we all belong.

I only go by what He has revealed to me in His precious word.
It's all there, sir, all one has to do is believe it.


Again, I wish you well.

 

Jon, Jon, Jon...no.
Ephesians 1:3-4
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him in love.

 

Austin the ones that are called the "elect" are those that have trusted in Christ Jesus. Not, as you poist, the ones that God preselected to be saved.
The bible is clear that it is after hearing the gospel message and believing that message that God saves the person. You, on the other hand, want them saved so they can believe. Not biblical.

 

You are so desperate to avoid the truth of scripture that you will pull any verse out of context that you think will help you. John 8:43-47 Here Christ Jesus is just responding to the scribes and Pharisees {Jews} that even though they had seen Him they would not accept Him. Actually it is those who hear the word of God and believe the word of God that are saved.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

You have it backward my friend. Just trust the word of God lean not on your own understanding.

 

I pray that you will actually believe what the word says. You have chosen to pick and choose verses that you think support your view but you have missed the mark. Why you struggle so hard to avoid the truth I do not know but I do hope that you will find the truth.

 

Austin, Austin, Austin do you not see the key words in that verse "IN HIM". God chose us, those that believe, to be in Christ Jesus. This is not a mystery, it is clearly stated in the bible. How many times must you be told that we hear the gospel, we believe the gospel, God saves us {puts us in Christ}. that is not complicated, you just make it so by adding to scripture what is not there.

Even the quote you have posted shows what I have just said "he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, [why] that we should be holy and blameless before him in love."
Even when you try to deny what we say you prove it by the scripture that you quote.

 

JonC,

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We see scripture being read and taught all through the bible, you oppose yourself and the scriptural teaching by your posts.

Dream on JonC

He thinks so and you like what he posts, but silverhair will soon find out that he agrees more than he thinks. HE HAS NOT exposed any error , just where he comes short of truth. Your hold his same errors so you cannot realize it yourself.

Reynolds has just repeated his idea of what he thinks is "high Calvinism", he does not have it correct either.
He likes supralapsarianism for some reason.

No JONC I believe scripture is the source of our doctrine...Just i work to understand it in context, understand the words and word meanings. You trying to suggest I do not and try to explain it away and ascribe other things is a weak attempt to divert from your defective ideas.

What you do not understand is God given teachers are a blessing and gift to the church. I can read two paragraphs of Thomas Watson, and hear more scripture explained and opened up more than 300 of your say nothing posts.
For you to show disdain for many of the solid works is shameful. You are welcome to remain ignorant. You can not touch Owen on the mortification of sin, on Communion with God, on the grace and duty of being spiritually minded, but you ridicule these caliber of gifted teachers. I have no trouble comparing what i believe and seeing what Gifted brothers have seen in the same scriptures.

THERE is nothing but scripture that supports my belief this explains to the world that you do not grasp the doctrines of grace, you never did, despite your claim. You try and make that claim, you might believe what you post, but No one that I see believes it.

lol that is your M>O> but now you try and project it on All the Cals here...epic fail, because people read the posts.

]No.. I said partial scripture cobbled together badly.
When asked to explain, you repeat the partial phrase over and over, JonC what does it mean He bore our sins? you repeat 10x...he bore our sins, he bores our sins, he bore our sins, you never answer

yes, everyday, but I also understand what it means unlike you.

 

It is kind of ironic isn't it?

 

We have decided, Jon. You are wrong and Iconoclast is right.
You simply miss the whole picture and try to replace the whole with pieces that are disjointed.

 

The interesting thing about this thread is that not one person complaining about Calvinism has ever laid out the inconsistencies in scripture that a Calvinist holds. Scripture is always left out and is replaced by ignorance of opinion by the non-calvinist.

 

From what I have come across on BB and other sites it would seem that calvinists just have not worked through to the end the logical problems their theology presents. Those of us that have looked at their theology and found it wanting are not saying that calvinist are just barely saved as some calvinists have said of non-calvinists. What we are saying is that even in your Christian walk you need to grow more. Trust what the scriptures say and trust less in what some uninspired man has to say, no matter how learned they may be,

 

We have pointed out many inconsistencies in your understanding of scripture, but you just ignore them.