Calvinism the religous dictation of it

Mathew 18:22-35

o.k. Romanbear, let me dismiss this peice of scripture so you won't be disappointed.

I'm starting at Matt. 18.21

Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

vs. 35 ends: So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

In vs. 21 Peter establishes the fact that the conversation is speaking of forgiveness among brethren.

Jesus answers not the limit Peter gives of seven times; but seventy times seven; if taken literally is only 490 times; then the limit would be met and forgiveness is not required of us any longer.

However, seven is a perfect number because in this (the seventh day God rested from all his work) Thus speaking of the rest of God, which is in Christ and thus eternal; immediately your thought of being cast away is futile.

But Jesus does not stop here; he moves directly into a Parable in which he reiterates the fact that he is teaching concerning "fellowservants" vss. 28-31 and 33 and then the reference in 35 to 'brother' is again used. Obviously teaching within the scope of the Family of God.

Note that in vs 35 it is said: So likewise will my heavenly Father do unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

This does not say that God will not forgive; but is referring to vs. 34 where the erring servant is delivered to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

This is the very thing that Bro. Glen spoke of in his post. Nowhere can it be said do these scriptures announce that salvation can be lost once granted.

We agree, I believe, that man cannot 'pay' God to earn his salvation, thus this scripture cannot be speaking of gaining nor losing that which cannot be bought by man. It must then be speaking toward reward, or blessing, in this life, for serving God in spirit and in truth and living inside His will.

To deduce a loss of salvation here is not viable.

Now, Romans 11.22 is not speaking of losing salvation, but the fall of Israel from 'most favored nation status' with God. Note vs. 1, 7, and 25 to name a few. vs. 1 specifically says they are not cast away. vs. 7 says Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. vs. 25 agrees and calls this blindness to be in part happened to Israel 'until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.'

Nowhere do the scriptures support a now you have it, now you don't view.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

[ February 12, 2003, 02:14 AM: Message edited by: Frogman ]

 

Romanbear,

Calvinism didn't originate with John Calvin. Calvinism is a name given to a doctrinal approach to scripture that was present long before John Calvin popularized it.

Was John Calvin right in every interpretation of Scripture? NO. That's why I don't go to him to formulate my doctrine.

I go to the Bible and the Bible has led me to the the conclusions I have made about my personal beliefs. That they coincide occasionally with what some man said or wrote 600 years ago is incidental. What matters is do they coincide with scripture.

And of course I believe they do.

Tell me Romanbear how you think my theology leads me to work out my faith practically. Tell me how you think my "calvinism" makes me different from you in every day Christian living and ministry.

 

romanbear:

1) "Reformed" is a title / nickname, somewhat like "Calvinist" is. I was referring to a particular group, those who are "Calvinists" in their theology. Therefore, regardless of your beliefs, my beliefs, or anyone else's beliefs, to use the term "Reformed" is appropriate when discussing those who are so.

2) You aren't a Protestant? Then what are you? I know that you replied you are a "God fearing Christian," but what does that mean exactly?

3) You don't need a pastor? Then why does God give pastor-teachers to the Church? Does having a pastor mean that one is against Acts 17:11?

 

I AGREE.

 

Please provide Calvinists authors that state this before making such slanderous statements.

Do you believe one can lose their salvation? If so you are a consistent Arminian .

Uh, Actually if I have anything to do with my salvation then I can glory. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Salvation not as you imply that Jesus is the Author and then I am the Finisher

Please, brother before you write against Calvinism go read some books written by Calvinists instead of parrotting Dave Hunt, Curtis Hudson and John R. Rice. Suggested reading for you

Chosen By God, R.C. Sproul
Truths That Transform, D. James Kennedy
Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God, J.I. Packer
1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith

Strawman arguments without any knowledge of Calvinism.

Not sure. But it does show you don't know what you are talking about.

Well, The Devil can do the same thing can't he?

Sorry, this is a Debate forum. If your arguments can't stand up to the fire then you may need to question it. No Calvinist I know of questions the faith of Arminians.

Once again you seem to know nothing of what Calvinism teaches. Read some books by Calvinists before going making such ridiculous statements.

Actually that is what Calvinism teaches. Man in his depravity is unable to choose to love God but the Holy Spirit regenerates the unconverted and enables them to believe.

Don't have to prove it since you don't know what Calvinism teaches and have privided no quotes from Calvinists that prove they are like Communists or JW's. I would encourage you my friend, to read and study something before attacking it.

 

Actually, I thought Arminianism says we are responsible for our own decision of faith, which means we would be the author and Jesus the finisher. On the other hand, we'd have nothing in which to believe if it weren't for Jesus, so I guess that makes Jesus the author, us the acquisitions editor, and Jesus the editor, publisher and finisher. I guess the Holy Spirit is a ghost writer. It's a shame the Bible doesn't get this right.