Cast your sins into the sea of Forgetfulness?

Christians sin!

Christians will be judged.

1 Peter 4
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? </font>[/QUOTE]This is true. You have stated the matter well.

And as 1Cor 6 those who engage in those sins DO NOT inherit eternal life!

Paul is writing "TO" Christians with this warning about failure to inherit eternal life and about the error of "Being deceived" on this point.

Christ makes the point in Matt 18 that it is those who HAVE Gospel forgivenss that are epxected to 'forgive others AS they have been forgiven' in the Gospel. And then if they refuse - Christ points out the end is "forgiveness revoked"!!

There is only one debt for sin - eternal death - the Lake of Fire - the wages of sin.

So Paul says to Christians "be not deceived".

In Christ,

Bob

 

This verse carries with it the idea of receiving rewards.</font>[/QUOTE]#1. Rewards are not mentioned.

#2. What is the "reward for bad deeds" according to Romans 6? Romans 2? Matt 7? Matt 25?

Interestingly they all point to the same results for "judgment regarding bad deeds".

Nowhere in your response did you show that the "Reward for bad deeds is eternal life".

In 1Cor 6 Paul LISTS those 'bad deeds' and then explicitly states that those who engage in them do NOT receive eternal life.

And most interestingly he prefaces that with "be not deceived" as IF we might be led to think that doing those bad deeds would STILL have us going to receive "eternal life"

In Christ,

Bob

 

Many Christians will suffer the loss of the rewards that they could have had earned if they would have used the right building materials.

There is no mention at all in 1Cor 3 about "rewards for bad deeds".

Context shows that the "Work" in 1Cor 3 is the builders work of teaching doctrine and building on the foundation of Christ. It is NOT about "murdering as a Christian and going to heaevn anyway but with less reward". In fact 3 chapters later in 1Cor 6 Paul says that we should "not be deceived" those who do those bad deeds don't even get "eternal life"!

In Christ,

Bob

 

The "reward" for bad deeds is very clearly the loss of reward. (vs. 15) The "bad deeds" are the wood, hay, and stubble. They will be consumed by the fire of judgment.

Our rewards are then based upon those works that "abide." (vs. 14) The gold, silver, and precious stones. It is these good works that will result in our rewards on that day.

The Bible is very clear that Christians will not be judged according to their sin after they get to heaven. Every passage regarding the Judgment Seat of Christ deals with the extent of our reward, not the extent of any punishment.

 

Pastor Bob is right, what the christian will be judged for will determine extent of rewards.

There are five Crowns to be given to the believer. The Preacher is to receive one that maost christians will not receive... The Crown of Glory. 1 Peter 5 tells us for the spiritual leader that does not lead his flock astray, this crown awaite.

 

That is a pretty interesting idea - but it is not in 1Cor 3. In chapter 3 the subject is "doctrine" not bad deeds.

In 1 Cor 6 the subject is "bad deeds" not doctrine.

Trying to mix them up does not make a good doctrinal statement.

So lets look at 1Cor3 - the chapter that is on doctrine of evangelists, not "bad deeds".

In Christ,

Bob

 

Paul contrasts the doctrine and message of different evangelists.

Notice that so far – Paul is not claiming that “he did anything bad” – he is specifically talking about “his teaching”. The argument so far is that he did not provide complex teaching because the people were baby Christians not ready for more complex stuff.

This is apparently to set the context for the work of Apollos who more complex doctrinal teaching after Paul left.

So far we have the teaching of Paul and of Apollos – and “neither of them” has done anything wrong. Rather the listeners – have divided their loyalty between Paul and Apollos “as if” one is opposing the other – but in fact they are both building up the church. Their “Work” is good – their “work” is their teaching – their doctrine.

The “reward” is specific to the one who ‘labors’ and in this case the ones “laboring” are Paul and Apollos. The rewards are specific to the evangelist that is “Doing the work”. And their work is supposed to “build up” the church – one building on the work of another. Paul says “I planted, Apollos watered”

Here we see the “good work” (good teaching) of two laborers (two evangelists) and the result is the building up of the church of God – with gospel “rewards” coming to the evangelists..

So far this has nothing to do with “murder getting less reward than loving your neighbor” as if the difference between sin and obedience is “less reward”. Nothing of the kind is being discussed in this chapter on evangelists and the teaching of evangelists!

Not this is “very specific”. The evangelists are said to be co-workers with God Himself in “building up the church of God”. Paul argues that these evangelists are to be “careful how they build” – Careful about the doctrine – the teaching that they provide. Careful that their Gospel teaching is Christ-centered.

Clearly the point is made that the “quality teaching” is that which is built upon the ONE foundation – the only true foundation (bedrock – Petra) of the church Jesus Christ.

It is the error – that God purges away. Error in doctrine, in Gospel teaching that will not stand. The subject is the same – the context is the same – the issue is the same. The quality of the doctrine/teaching of the various evangelists that are building the church of God as “co-workers” with God.

So far this has nothing to do with “murder getting less reward than loving your neighbor” as if the difference between sin and obedience is “less reward”. Nothing of the kind is being discussed in this chapter on evangelists and the teaching of evangelists!

The good news is that Paul predicts that those evangelists who DO bring error into the church will eventually have that error burned away. The faithful people of God will follow the Holy Spirit (ultimately) instead of the errors of man – no matter how “good intentioned” those errors are -

So in the case of the sincere evangelist who happens to introduce some error – the promise is that it will be tested over time – it will be burned away and the pure church will remain. The “builder” (evangelist – co-worker with God) will still be saved IF their error is not malicious or deliberate – but the error must be removed just the same.

So far this has nothing to do with “murder getting less reward than loving your neighbor” as if the difference between sin and obedience is “less reward”. Nothing of the kind is being discussed in this chapter on evangelists and the teaching of evangelists!

There is no mention here of death-then-burning (as if purgatory could be inserted here). There is no mention here of the Evangelists becoming murderers but “being saved anyway”.

All the little twists and turns (spin doctoring) that various traditions would try to insert in the chapter – just aren’t here.

1Cor 6 addresses the problem of ‘bad deeds” in the church and it says “be not deceived” …

1Cor 3 deals with the problem of the purity of doctrine that will come into the church as various “co-workers with God” seek to build up the church. There is no good way to confuse the two chapters – or mix up their content.

 

But you did forgive her, right? Just joking. Seriously, that phrase is not written in the Bible in that way. The Bible says that God throws our forgiven sins into the deepest sea. It also says that He doesn't remember them for His sake. Read Isaiah chapter 1:19 and chapter 44:25. The phrase Sea if Forgetfulness was first used in the 1500's by a poor. Google keywords Sea of Forgetfulness, 1500's, and pope. I think that the pope just used those words, "Sea of Forgetfulness", sort of paraphrasing what the Bible actually says about God casting our sins into the deepest sea, and how He will no longer remember our (forgiven) sins. as we might do with words today to explain something we've read and are writing an essay. The Sea of Forgetfulness is a conclusion that the reader, in this case the Pope, draws from the information he h

 

I couldn't tell you where to find the phrase in the Bible. It looks like others have tried. However, it reminded me of a Helen Baylor tune, which is a sweet melody.

 

I stumbled onto this forum after searching for information on the same thing. I joined up just so I can share what I have found. I haven't found any bible version yet that mentions "the sea of forgetfulness" as such. I did however find song lyrics that match.
I haven't researched any further as to who write to the song. Here's a YouTube link to one version of the song.



Bless you all.