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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Hobie, Jan 2, 2021.

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  1. Salty

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    when you can grasp what the Bible's teaching on the One Person of Jesus Christ, the God-Man, is, then you will understand. Your reasoning is human logic!
     
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    I would be wrong to agree! Here is just one example that shows that you are wrong. R C Sproul believed that Jesus Christ could have sinned (Could Jesus Have Sinned?), was he "Grace/works salvation"?
     
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    At no time has Jesus ever not been God. I'm not quite sure where you are going with this. Surely you are not questioning the doctrine of the Trinity, especially considering the plethora of passages that clearly show Jesus is God incarnate.
     
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    Sorry, but I do not see how you can argue that sin is IN anyone's nature. This is not how Scripture (e.g., see James) defines "sin". Sin is when we give in to temptation (when we are carried away by our desires). It is an action (whether a mental or physical act) of the flesh.
     
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    Jon, more to the point of the issue is, whether or not the human nature in all from birth, are "sinful", as "fallen"?
     
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    You said "it was also impossible that He would as sin was not in His nature." It's your argument to defend.
     
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    I am simply observing that the argument "Jesus could not have sinned because He was God" doesn't hold water. There are any number of things Jesus could do in His humanity that God does not do, and legitimately picking and choosing what Jesus could or could not do based on His inarguable divinity requires a scriptural basis. So far that basis has not been offered, while several passages have been noted which indicate He was genuinely tempted to sin. You can't tempt someone to do the impossible. If I offer you ten million dollars to manually pick up a mountain and cast it into the sea, are you tempted?
     
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    Ah...I see. Sorry, I may not have worded that correctly. It was not in His nature to sin would be a better wording. This is evident in that He did not sin when tempted.
     
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    I would still observe that it was not in the first Adam's nature to sin, nor was it in Lucifer's - unless you believe God built a propensity to sin into that which He declared perfect.
     
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    Ha ha. All reasoning is human logic, including the above. It would be nice to read posts that do not rely on constant use of second person pronouns. Try dealing with the argument without attacking the man.
     
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    not really, I use the Bible!
     
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    There are seven passages cited in my #122. There are none in your #142.
     
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    Where are you observing this? Where is man or Satan declared perfect?
     
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    I believe in two "natures", what Scripture calls "flesh" and "spirit". So I believe that men have a human nature which falls short of the glory of God. Sin, in my view, occurs when the flesh prevails (when men are "carried away by the desires of the flesh"). I would disagree that we are considered to have sinned from birth, but I do believe that all men sin because all men are born "of the flesh" and need to be born "of the spirit" to enter the kingdom of God.
     
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