Democrats dishonest on Iraq

Those Iraqis sure have a wierd way of showing their delight. Couldn't they do it without the car bombs and booby traps?

 

The majority of them do not commit acts of terror. As a matter of fact, more Iraqis have probably died due to terrorists acts, and this is becoming more and more prevalent as they become more and more independent. The main target of the terrorists is not the Americans...if that were true, then the Iraqi body count would be much lower than the American body count. Look up the data...the reverse is true.

Joseph Botwinick

 

To a terrorist it probaly wouldn't make much difference who gets killed or maimed although it probably seem like a plus if it were more Americans. Iraq is a divided country as evident by todays trial against Saddam Hussein, in some cities in towns they are in the street calling for his execution while in others (especially Tikrit) they are denouncing the trial against Saddam altogethor.

 

Seems like if this is true, which I doubt, why doesn't all these friendly Iraqi's stand up and put an end to these terrorist bombings.

There is no way that a insurgency could continue to operate the way it does in Iraq if they did not receive cooperation from a large portion of the Iraqi populace.

 

America is a divided nation. In some towns (mainly liberal strongholds) they are in the streets denouncing the war in Iraq. In others, they are encouraging victory against the terrorists. The data doesn't support your argument.

The Iraqis are, however, overwhelmingly united (and becoming even more so every day) in defeating the terrorists and embracing democracy. The polling data actually supports that.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Seems like if this is true, which I doubt, why doesn't all these friendly Iraqi's stand up and put an end to these terrorist bombings.

There is no way that a insurgency could continue to operate the way it does in Iraq if they did not receive cooperation from a large portion of the Iraqi populace. </font>[/QUOTE]The Iraqis are standing up and fighting the terrorists. Look at the Iraqi body count and compare it to the American body count, and it will become clear to a clear thinking person that the Iraqis are committed to democracy and freedom from tyranny and terror. One of the biggest targets of the terrorists are the Iraqi recruiting centers and yet everytime they are bombed, they still come back to volunteer to secure their own nation.

Joseph Botwinick

 

America is a divided nation. In some towns (mainly liberal strongholds) they are in the streets denouncing the war in Iraq. In others, they are encouraging victory against the terrorists. The data doesn't support your argument.

The Iraqis are, however, overwhelmingly united (and becoming even more so every day) in defeating the terrorists and embracing democracy. The polling data actually supports that.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]O.K. Joseph,
What does your data show specifically.
Iraq and the U.S are both divided but in different ways.
In Iraq they have U.S forces there to occupy..
In the U.S we have no foreign occupiers.

 

They overwhelmingly voted for the US mission of democracy in Iraq both in January and more recently with the ratification of a Constitution. This is pretty well known that they defied threats and realities of murder at the hands of terrorists to go and vote in a fair, free, and democratic election...something they haven't been allowed to do in a looooooooooong time. I believe their voter turnout was larger than America's. What do you think this means?

They are dying in record numbers for their freedom. They are being attacked by the terrorists, and still come back to fight for freedom from tyranny and terror. They are certainly deserving of our help, and certainly understand that the true occupiers and oppressors of Iraq were the tyrannical Saddam regime, and the terrorists who have come in mostly from other nations who don't want democracy to suceed in the heart of the Middle East: Iraq.

Joseph Botwinick

 

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
Over 27,000 and maybe more than 30,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed due to the U.S. led intervention.
How many Iraqis have been killed by terrorist?

 

HMMMMMMM? Are you trying to imply the age old Kerry line that our US military are the terrorists slaughtering these innocent Iraqis?

Joseph Botwinick

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/02/AR2005060201098.html
Iraq Puts Civilian Toll at 12,000
Insurgency Claiming About 20 People a Day.
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I'm not implying anything Joseph, this is just the data I am pulling up from various sources.
So what have you got?

 

Who is killing all those Iraqis with car bombs and the like? The Americans or the terrorists? How is it that you blame America for the actions of terrorists who have invaded Iraq from mostly neighboring nations in an attempt to stop democracy in the heart of the Middle East: Iraq?

Joseph Botwinick

 

I'm just giving you some data Joseph , isn't that what you wanted?
Have you got anything different?
And I am not blaming anyone Joseph.

 

Who murdered all those Iraqis with car bombs and the like? Americans or the terrorists who mostly invaded the nation to stop democracy?

Your data supports my position. I don't need anything different.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Well Joseph,
in part it did support your position but the data also reflects where and who is causing the most damage.

 

And who is that?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Since you claim that the democracy-loving Iraqis outnumber the terrorists by a vast margin, they should have no problem dealing with this threat without our continuing help. So, I guess this means you are in favor, like I am, of bringing our troops home.

 

Joseph,
I believe that you are a highly educated person so instead of me telling you what you don't want to hear, why don't you tell me what your data states.

 

Since you claim that the democracy-loving Iraqis outnumber the terrorists by a vast margin, they should have no problem dealing with this threat without our continuing help. So, I guess this means you are in favor, like I am, of bringing our troops home. </font>[/QUOTE]As soon as their army is trained and able to secure the peace, I am totally in favor of our troops coming back home. Not a second sooner, and not a second later.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph,
I believe that you are a highly educated person so instead of me telling you what you don't want to hear, why don't you tell me what your data states. </font>[/QUOTE]Not willing to answer the question, eh? I wonder why. Is it because you are implying that our military are the terrorists? What exactly is the point of your data. My data is evident to most people who are coherent and have paid attention this past year to the world.

Joseph Botwinick