Dr. Ruckman's "advanced Revelation"

2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

I'm (hopefully) not going to get into any more arguments like this, I repent of it. It is fruitless, and I usually end up saying things that I regret having said. I have been working on a study for a while that will hopefully give a beter idea at least why I believe that the Lord has seen fit to preserve His word in one translation in English, and I will post it when I am done. But pointless arguing is not profitable. I pray you will all forgive me if I said anything out of line.

 

James that is part of being a Christian my brother. We forgive each other's faults etc....no hard feeling here at all

Talk with you later.

In Christ,
David

 

What else would you expect from a shaman?

 

Roby;
Let's try this and see if it fits. Remember this ;
Mt 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

I am willing to be judged by the same rule I give. Are you? Let's see.
Hitler did mostly RIGHT things, as does Robycop3. However, Robycop3's WRONGS are almost as nothing as compared to Hitler's wrongs. I just wanted to remind Robycop3's supporters that even Hitler was often right. Does that make him acceptable? Is Robycop3 acceptable because he's often right?

Does the shoe fit? I would not put myself in that paragraph. But by your apparent willingness to put a preacher of the gospel into it, then you evidently must be willing to be put in it as well. No? Again, how is it you even dare to compare an evil monster such as Hitler to a preacher of the gospel?
Quit it with your diatribe about "answer the OP". I did that already. This has gotten WAY PAST that. I am done. Say what you want. The NET is still free teritory.

In HIS service;
Jim

 

So, when I measure you with your own yardstick the rationalization starts.

In other words you believe the only proper way to correct a brother is privately and to his face (that is until you change the rules midstream, qualifying them as you go, particularly when they are applied to your own self).

similarly you have an apparent problem with me.

OK, we have both made it public. I have denounced his error (but not him) publicly.

So, according to your reasoning jim, two "wrongs" do indeed make a "right". However, If you mean the exposing and correcting of his errors, yes we did start it and we/I will continue to do so - Lord willing.

And what is your scripture for this your own action of a public rebuke?

KJV 1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.?

Whatever it is, please apply this Scripture that you have used to publicly rebuke me/us to Dr. Ruckman and his followers who have publicly called a Bible that millions of Christians use, myself included, a "satanic counterfeit" who have publicly used improper language and insults against a whole host of folks (individually as well as collectively) who he/they never met with privately or face-to-face.

HankD

 

If we use Jim' s logic on correction, then it is unScriptural to rebuke any other Christian for teaching heresy in any forum. I dare say if Dr. Ruckman was teaching baptismal regeneration, modalism, or a deficient Christology, Jim would sing a different song. "Ah, but those are issues addressed in the Bible," he will no doubt say. To which I reply, "And where is KJVOnlyism in the Bible?" QED.

The fact is Dr. Ruckman long, long, loooooonnnnnnngggggg ago went past the point of no return for requiring only private rebukes. He has been confronted privately by so many people on these issues and either refused to respond or responded in less than Christian ways (to say it lightly), that he should be rebuked publicly to expose his heresies to as many people as possible.

 

The ultimate problem IMO with "advanced revelation" (AR) is that after 20 centuries it has radically redefined the doctrine of inspiration and the Canon of Scripture.

This related to the fact that any given AR first of all has to be identified seeing that is is hidden from even those who were inspired to write it. This then requires an AR "prophet" who can subsequently interpret the AR which will presumably add to the body of doctrine of the Church. Two hundred have so far been revealed by one Seer. But how many are there? 400, 1000, 10,000 and what new and bizzare thing will come forth from them.

So far this doctrine is inextricably related to the King James Bible, with only one KJVO Seer promulgating "ex cathedra" interpretations.

HankD

 

I still would like to know what would happen to me if I believed what Ruckman teaches.

 

Hello to: Roby, Jim, David, gb, Hank and everyone!
I hope y'all don't mind me posting a "note". I just stopped in and was reading over a few posts...and wanted to say that I found the posts interesting...enjoyed them. Thanks!...was nice to meet y'all here on the net!

Together...EXALTING HIM!
Heart Talker (Jerry)

 

Hank the Bible gives instructions on Church Disapline if this is what your refering to it's in the book of Matt I believe
step 1 is to go to (him or her) 1st
step 2 is go to ( him or her) with someone from the Church
step 3 is then before the Church

has any of you went to Dr. Rukman with the charges you have made for the 1st step ( if not then there is no reason for this thread against Dr. Ruckman ) and I will assume none has.

 

Ruckman has been confronted many times for his errors and he continues to rebel against correction. Since he goes around publicly teaching the things he does, we have an obligation to publicly challenge his false teachings. Paul publicly confronted Peter in front of others and did not give any indication that he met with Peter privately first.

 

You would be a ruckmanite.

HankD

 

Revelation 12:17,14:12 would be a good place to start..Read II Timothy 2:15 for goodness sake(using God's true word:the KJV) and put it to use!

 

KJV Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

KJV Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

These Scriptures from the book of the Revelation show us what the saints/seed of the woman do and the object of their faith, not how they came to be saints.

KJV 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Good advice from the Word of God, Go, and do thou likewise.

HankD

 

II.Timothie II.15 (KJV1611):

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and keepe
the instructions, which ye haue bene
taught, either by worde, or by our Epistle.

Oops, that was II.Thessalonians II.15 -- abbrev. problems

II.Timothie II.15 (KJV1611):

Studie to shewe thy selfe approued
vnto God, a workeman that needeth not
to be ashamed, diuiding the worde
of trueth aright.

Compare the meaning of the statement with:
2 Timothy 2:15 (HCSB)

Be diligent to present yourself approved
to God, a worker who doesn't need
to be ashamed, correctly teaching
the word of truth.

Anyway, as far as Ruckman goes, you are
supposed to "divide" the word not the people.