Drinking Alcohol Poll--

Slick, do you condemn rbell for posting this, or do you agree with him/her?

 

Alcott, whether or not I agree with anyone on this thread, particularly, standingfirminChrist asked that you not call him "Slick". And that was exactly 8 pages (or 80 posts) ago.

Do you think that is an unreasonable request, somehow? Or are you merely running behind in reading the posts, in the attempt to "out post" someone else?

Ed

 

More balderdash and piffle! Show me where. Your intellectual dishonesty or ignorance does you no favours; when you're in a hole, stop digging.

 

Thanks for that info. As I said, I don't over-indulge; 1-2 units a day is all I have, so I wouldn't consider that a lot of self-medication; government guidelines here are that the 'safe' limit for alcohol for me is 21-28 units per week, depending on build and metabolism, and they also state that taking anti-oxidants, multi-vitamins etc in pill form is less effective than 'naturally.' Partly, it was the way I was brought up (and maybe this is a bit of a Christian 'Pond difference' culturally): we always had wine with the main meal and I was taught to both appreciate and respect alcoholic drink from an early age.

 

I'm truly sorry to hear that, SFIC. But I don't believe your brother is in Hell as long as he had his faith and trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. My great-grandfather died of the same at 59 and I lost a dear friend to alcoholism a few years ago at the age of 42. But that doesn't make it wrong, anymore than the fact that some people abuse God's gift of sex means that one should abstain from sex within marriage.

 

I have posted it in previous threads, Matt. Go do some research.

Where is your proof that God allows His Believers to drink alcohol? It sure ain't in the Word of God.

 

My brother did not have his faith in the Lord, it was in his bottle. He did not want to hear the gospel.. He did not want to hear the truth. He is in hell with the rich man because he chose to believe the lie that God allows drinking in moderation.

And it is sad that people who name the name of Christ deceive people into taking that first drink on the road to hell by telling them it is ok.

Many will have to stand before God for throwing those stumbling blocks in front of others.

May they all repent before that day comes.

 

Already have done the research. As others have pointed out, your translations of the Hebrew for 'wine' are suspect.

Jesus Himself drank it, His first miracle was creating wine, Paul exhorts Timothy to take wine for the sake of his health and, supremely of all, Jesus - and His Church - have consistently used wine in the Eucharist.

 

Excellent, sound, Bible based, and reasonable post. Thank you

 

I do think that rbell's summation is why most of us voted the way we did -- we don't see any biblical reason to not drink, but we have chosen not to.

Many of for nearly identical reasons.

 

Nowhere in Scripture does the Word of God say Jesus drank alcohol... except where He was accused falsely by the Pharisees as you are doing now. But Hie refuted their accusations when He said "But Wisdom is justified of all her Children"

But until you can grasp the meaning of that statement, you will continue to falsely accuse the Spotless Lamb of drinking alcohol.

Scripture does not say the wine he made was alcoholic, nor does it say that which Timothy was alcoholic, nor does 'fruit of the vine' mean alcohol. Jesus never called what He gave to the Disciples 'alcohol'...Again you accuse Him falsely.

Having eyes to see, ye see not concerning this truth.

 

And this is found in verse...?

 

I'm not laughing at you. I'm asking you because I sincerely want to know.

I disagree with you when you say that the Bible calls for abstinance, but I'll also be the first to admit that I might be wrong.

Perhaps if you can show me what scripture you're referring to, you might change my mind. I have been known to change my mind when shown from the Bible, you know.

 

Preaching the Gospel??

Are you equating preaching against the moderate drinking of alcohol with the preaching of the Gospel?

Or, are you saying that being anti-drinking is part of the Gospel??

 

SFIC 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him and abstains from all alcoholic beverages, shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

Proverbs 20:1 (KJV)
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Billy Sunday!

ALCOHOL - The Untold Story!

Christians and Alcohol

:smilewinkgrin:

 

If you're fond of Proverbs in KJV, then I'm still awaiting your Yes or No answer to whether you obey ch. 31 vv. 6-7...

Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

 

I don't believe "strong" drink means alcohol.

"Proverbs 23:31-32? "Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent and stingeth like an adder." The command is clear. Do not drink moderately because it will lead to sin, sorrow and misery. So the conclusion is that the Old Testament uses these two main words for wine, "tirosh" meaning grape juice, a product which is never condemned and frequently commended, and "yayin" meaning wine which is frequently condemned, often associated with drunkenness and never spoken of in any favorable light."


Why would God want someone to drink something that will biteth like a serpent ans stingeth like an adder? He wouldn't. That's why I don't believe it refers to alcohol.
Alcoholism

 

That wasn't even the question-- for which you are still a coward to say "Yes I obey Proverbs 31:6-7", or else, "No, I disobey Proverbs 31:6-7."

 

So what do you believe it means, Gatorade[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]®[/FONT], V8[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]®[/FONT], Pepsi[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]®[/FONT] , or ?

Okay, so go for white wine!

FTR, I have not seen anyone advocating alcoholism, here. [Big Sigh!}

Ed