Duggars expecting child #19

I think the Duggars threaten the manhood and womanhood of some on this board.

Anyway, Thank you, God for the Duggars and their prolife testimony.

 

I am not sure that I used that word except to say some of his followers had a cultlike devotion to him, which is true. And to me that is irrelevant. First, one must establish whether or not Gothard is teaching biblically. He's not. That is the main issue.

 

Manhood and womanhood are defined by the Bible, not by Bill Gothard, whose teachings on this are messed up and unbiblical. The issue is not one of prolife but following the legalisms of Bill Gothard.

 

See Rev, this should be your first clue that you are wrong on this issue.. when Robert Snow agrees with you and I don't...


ROFL!!!!:laugh:

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I really don't care how many kids they have.. I just will not allow that garbage on my TV... and maybe, if enough people quit watching, it may save the children.

 

The main idea of quiverfull is that personal responsibility over procreation is a sin. Quiverfull doesn't simply say it's okay to not use birth control and have children, it claims that excercising personal responsibility over procreation is an affront to God. It further doesn't simply say "let God decide", the implication that you're supposed to have as many children as possible.

The movement perverts "be fruitful and multiply". It further violates the commandment of "thou shalt not put the Lord thy God to the test" by failing to excercise personal responsibility. It further violates "Judge not, that ye be not judged" by claiming that those who use any sort of birth control are sinning. And, btw, some family friends of mine are part of the "quiverfull" movement, and have stated expressly these things. So this is first hand movement. Believe me, I got a tongue lashing when they found out my wife and I don't plan on having any kids.

 

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There is quite the over reaction with regards to the Duggars.

 

Scripture tells over and over and over again that we are responsible for our own actions. There is nothing in scripture to suggest procreative choices are exempt. Gothard's implication is that those who take responsibility over their procreative choices are sinning. That's a clear perversion of scripture.

 

There a lot of things that are a perversion of scripture. But it does not make them a cult or cult like.

 

Gothard's scriptural application is a perversion, regardless of how many children a person has, and regardless of whether they're taken care of.

As Christians God being in control is an imperative. But Scripture tells us over and over and over again that we are responsible for our own actions. If one stops taking responsibility for one's one procreative decisions, in the name of "having God take control", that's a bad misapplication of scripture. It's like saying I'm not going get my broken leg set because God is in control of my healing.

You have a point there.

 

I don't call it takeing care of properly when a child does not have access to their parents and has to make an appointment to talk to mom. No way this woman takes care of that many children on her own, meaning her older children hare having to raise someone elses kids. it is called taking care of children when you actually take care of your own children, not hand them off.

 

I know the Duggars have their kids make an appointment to discuss something with mom, and I don't have a problem with that at all. I do, however, have a problem with that being the only time during the week that they can talk to mom. I would not want to raise my kids like that.

By the way, I have 2 kids, and my quivver is full! I have a small quivver. :laugh: