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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Sep 23, 2023.

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    Huh, so quantiun uncertainty principle does not exist.
     
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    I don't know what you are talking about, but God does exist.
     
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    Exodus 3:14, ". . . And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: . . ."

    Acts of the Apostles 17:28, ". . . For in him we live, and move, and have our being; . . ."
     
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    Good verses.
     
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    Here is Eternal Salvation in a nutshell... Its not that you wouldn't do it, IT'S THAT YOU COULDN'T DO IT!... Brother Glen:)
     
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    The English word'' through' in this verse means in or en using the Greek. Faith is fruit of the Spirit one must already be regenerated and have the Spirit [ Galatians 5:22] and to be able to exercise it .'' He that believeth on the Son HATH everlasting life:'' If the modern English '' general meaning'' of through is correct in this verse, and the verse is speaking totally in the eternal sense , how would one dying as an infant be saved? Seeing that the infant can't be chosen outside of belief of the truth and this belief comes from exercising faith?
    Strong's Concordance
    en: in, on, at, by, with
    Original Word: ἐν
    Part of Speech: Preposition
    Transliteration: en
    Phonetic Spelling: (en)
    Definition: in, on, at, by, with
    Usage: in, on, among.
    4991 [e]
    sōtērian
    σωτηρίαν
    salvation
    N-AFS
    1722 [e]
    en
    ἐν
    in
    Prep
    38 [e]
    hagiasmō
    ἁγιασμῷ
    [the] sanctification
    N-DMS
    4151 [e]
    Pneumatos
    Πνεύματος ,
    of [the] Spirit
    N-GNS
    2532 [e]
    kai
    καὶ
    and
    Conj
    4102 [e]
    pistei
    πίστει
    [by] faith
    N-DFS
    225 [e]
    alētheias
    ἀληθείας ;
    of [the] truth
    N-GFS
     
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    John Gill 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    Verse 13


    But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you ,.... Lest the saints should be discouraged by the above account of antichrist, and his followers, and fear they should be left to the same deceptions, and damnation be their portion; the apostle being persuaded better things of them, gives their character, and represents their case in a quite different light; and signifies, that he and his fellow ministers were under obligation to be continually thankful to God for what he had done for them; for as God is the Father of mercies, whether spiritual or temporal, thanks are to be given to him; and saints are not only to bless his name for what they themselves receive from him, but for what others enjoy also, and that continually; because spiritual blessings, especially such as are afterwards instanced in, are permanent and durable, yea, everlasting: the characters which show them to be different from the followers of antichrist, are

    brethren, beloved of the Lord or "of God", as the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions read: they were the brethren of Christ, being the dear children of God, born of him, and belonging to his family, and of the apostles, and of one another, being of the household of faith; and they were beloved by God the Father, as the instances of their election to salvation by him, and their calling to eternal glory, show; and by the Lord Jesus Christ, who had wrought out for them the salvation they were chosen to; and by the Lord the Spirit, by whom they were regenerated, called, sanctified, and brought to the belief of the truth; and since they had interest in the everlasting love of the three divine Persons, there was no danger of their falling away and perishing. The reason of the apostle's thanksgiving for the persons thus described is,

    because God hath from, the beginning chosen you to salvation ; which is to be understood, not of an election of them, as a nation, for they were not a nation, only a part of one; nor of them as a church, for they were not so from the beginning; nor to the outward means of grace, the ministry of the word and ordinances, for the choice is unto salvation; nor to any office, for they were not all officers in the church, only some; nor does it intend the effectual calling, for that is distinguished from it in the following verse; but an eternal appointment of persons to grace and glory: and this is an act of God the Father, in Christ, from eternity; and which arises from his sovereign good will and pleasure, and is an instance of his free grace and favour, for the glorifying of himself; and is irrespective of the faith, holiness, and good works of men; all which are the fruits and effects, and not the motives, conditions, or causes of electing grace. This act is the leading one to all other blessings of grace, as justification, adoption, calling, and glorification, and is certain and immutable in itself, and in its effects. The date of it is "from the beginning": not from the beginning of the preaching of the Gospel to them, and the sense be, that, as soon as the Gospel was preached, they believed, and God chose them; for what was there remarkable in them, that this should be peculiarly observed of them? The Bereans are said to be more noble than they were: nor from the beginning of their calling, for predestination or election precedes calling; see Romans 8:30 nor from the beginning of time, or of the creation of the world, but before the world began, even from eternity; and in such sense the phrase is used in Proverbs 8:23 and that it is the sense of it here, is manifest from Ephesians 1:4 where this choice is said to be before the foundation of the world. The end to which men, by this act, are chosen, is "salvation": not temporal, though the elect of God are appointed to many temporal salvations and deliverances, and which they enjoy both before and after conversion; yet salvation here designs the salvation of the soul, though not exclusive of the body, a spiritual and an eternal salvation, salvation by Jesus Christ, as is expressed in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and the same decree that appoints men to salvation, appoints Christ to be the Saviour of them; and there is salvation in and by no other. The means through which this choice is made, are

    through sanctification of the spirit, and belief of the truth by sanctification is meant, not anything external, as reformation of life, obedience to the law, or outward submission to Gospel ordinances; but internal holiness, which lies in a principle of spiritual life in the soul, and in a principle of spiritual light on the understanding; in a flexion of the will to the will of God, and the way of salvation by Christ; in a settlement of the affections on divine and spiritual things, and in an implantation of all grace in the heart; and is called the sanctification of "the spirit", partly from the spirit or soul of man being the principal seat of it, and chiefly from the Spirit of God being the author of it; and this being a means fixed in the decree of election to salvation, shows that holiness is not the cause of election, yet is certain by it, and is necessary to salvation; and that the doctrine of election is no licentious doctrine, since it provides for and secures true and real holiness. "Truth" designs either the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the truth of types and promises, and the substance of the truth of the Gospel, in whom it lies, and by whom it comes; or the Gospel itself, which comes from the God of truth, lies in the Scriptures of truth, is dictated and directed into by the spirit of truth; the sum of it is Christ the truth, and has nothing in it but truth. The "belief" or "faith" of this intends, not an historical faith, or a mere assent to truth; but a cordial embracing of it, a receiving of the love of the truth, a feeling of the power of it unto salvation, and a believing in Christ, the substance of it; which is a seeing of him spiritually, and a going out of the soul to him in acts of hope; reliance, trust, and dependence; and this being also a means settled in the choice of men to salvation, makes it appear, that faith is no cause of election, but the effect of it; that it is necessary to salvation, and therefore appointed as a means; that it is certain to the elect by it, and that they therefore cannot be finally and totally deceived, or be carried away with the error of the wicked, or with the deceivableness of unrighteousness with which antichrist works.
     
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    When the Greek preposition (transliterated "en") is used to show instrumentality, as in 2 Thessalonians 2:13, the meaning is clear, God utilizes our faith as a basis for for Him choosing the individual for salvation.
     
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    God chose the Thessalonians for salvation "through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth."
    1) Sanctification by the Spirit refers to God's Spirit setting the individual apart (in Him-Christ.)
    2) Through "faith in the truth" teaches God utilizes our faith, if credited as righteousness by God alone, as the basis of our conditional election for salvation.

    No matter how long a "run-on" sentence is posted, any denial of the obvious remains malarkey.
     
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