For those Curious about Smith Wigglesworth and other early revivalists

Sorry to jump in so late, but I just joined this board.
Lorelei states on August 30: The that which is perfect is the completed Word of God. The spiritual gifts were given to help the New Testament Church understand the New Covenant of grace. Once those who were gifted with this special knowledge and wisdom put that information into words, the gifts began to cease. Once the NT as we know it today was compiled, the purpose for the gifts ceased. We no longer need to be given a word of wisdom, all the wisdom that we need can be found in the Complete Word of God.

Nice ring to it, but not biblical exegesis. Does she REALLY believe that since the Bible was written we now "know as we are known" and no longer see through a glass darkly? Sounds like heaven to me, and believe me, if this is heaven, I REALLY have a problem with all the hurricanes running through the SW Florida portion of heaven.

And, if I know everything God knows now that the Bible is complete, why do I still have to "study to show myself approved" -- I already, according to Lorelei, Know as I am known? If I got it, I don't need to learn it!

 

Randy........that makes sense to me.

I think the scripture mentioned is a pivitol point in wether gifts/healing is for today or not.


Music4Him

 

(BTW, I am one who belives that gifts still apply in todays world.)

music4Him

 

The usual explanation goes like this: The Greek uses the neuter gender for "perfect", so it can't be the returning Christ. They ignore the fact that it is neuter because it has to agree in gender with the other words of the statement, you can't change gender in mid stream.

Actually, it could be translated:
"He which is perfect"
"She which is perfect"
"It which is perfect"
You can't create dogma from a preconceived notion (or, in this case, from a poor understanding of Greek).

 

Me too! I've witnessed too many miracles to doubt it!

Randy

 

οταν δε ελθη το τελειον τοτε το εκ μερους καταργηθησεται - if you want it from the horse's mouth.

 

And are the tongues real languages or noises that no one can understand? Because in the Acts, the tongues were interpretable languages.

 

And are the tongues real languages or noises that no one can understand? Because in the Acts, the tongues were interpretable languages. </font>[/QUOTE]are you talking about this passage?

Acts2:4-6~
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

~~If so it sounds like it to me. I understand it to say, that when they did speak in tounges it was "unknown tounge" to the disciples, but it just came out of their mouths to tell the others in thier different tounge. (After all during the tower of babble incident in the OT mens language was confounded by who?)

Music4Him

 

BTW, Thank you SpiritualMadMan for the link. I just got to read some of it.


Music4Him

 

Read the thread.
Read the article about Wiggleworth.
Past Pentecostal tongue wagger.
Been delivered from the nonsense.

Claim is made that 'wigglyworm' raised 23 folks from the dead!
This makes him greater than Paul, Elijah, Jesus, et.al.
Imagine that!
BALONEY!
In Greek that is; mule muffins! ( I really LIKED Colonel Potter!)
In His service;
Jim

 

SMM, you don't have to *accept* it in the "spirit" that it was posted. Just brush it aside and consider it rubbish!...as in worthless material!

MEE

 

Hey what is that scripture that goes something like "these things and greater shall you do"? Can someone look it up and post it for me?

(I got a new computer & lost my old links.)


Quote by Jim:
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Read the thread.
Read the article about Wiggleworth.
Past Pentecostal tongue wagger.
Been delivered from the nonsense.

Claim is made that 'wigglyworm' raised 23 folks from the dead!
This makes him greater than Paul, Elijah, Jesus, et.al.
Imagine that!
BALONEY!
In Greek that is; mule muffins! ( I really LIKED Colonel Potter!)
In His service;
Jim
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Did Paul or Peter keep a tally of all that were healed and raised? Don't forget the nameless people that recived peices of cloth that propbly got healed, or that was touched by the shadow. Wasn't it John that said, "if all that was writted about everything that Jesus did the whole world couldn't contain it?

Music4Him

 

Thank you SpiritualMadMan!

(((((HUGS)))))

Music4Him

 

This is an arrogant claim. There is no hard evidence that it ever came true. And of course if it didn't, it is simply another proof that he, like most other Charismatic leaders, is a false prophet.
DHK