Featured Has the KJV been proven to be based on a superior text?

Actually I'm more of a returning BB member. I usta wuz ktn4eg, but had to leave BB due to a series of medical issues that kept me away from BB. I still have most of them today, but, IMO, I missed BB. I love reading her many Forums & particularly this one. Maybe it's because, beginning in 1974, I tackled the "controversy" of whether or not "Baptism" was a misleading word the KJV translators invented to confuse people over that ordinance's correct mode. You can find my non-copyrighted research efforts on the 1st Baptist Church of Harrison OH's website. Pastor Ronnie Wolfe (As he put it, "A 'Wolfe' in a sheep's clothing,") was one of my CBC instructors. Although he has had polio before the polio vaccine was made available in the 1950's, he never let that fact deter him from being a very good pianist & Bible college instructor as well! I learned much from both his teaching and his determination to serve Jesus in spite of his physical issues. BTW, that "joined" date might need to be re-adjusted. but that's up to you.

 

Probably something a moderator would have to tackle, if it is important to you to have it adjusted.

 

My main point in the context of this thread is that most readers here are formulating what they think of your view of the KJV and KJV-Only based on what they read that is posted here, as opposed to the entirety of your writings, or your web site.

 

That's only assumed to be true by KJVO

 

Sorry yes, I ws trying to say the assumption has no merit at all in reality.

 

That’s interesting that you made a thread just for me (indirectly) and only mentioning it towards the end of page 2!
Mind you, the link was the evidence. A several page pdf. It’s also from a book that you’ve said that have and read from D. A. Waite. That being said, if you are making this post looking for evidence on the subject of Defending the King James Bible (which you already disagree w/) or KJB “proof,” then it’s obvious you have already made up your mind and this thread is not intended for genuine information. But as I’ve noticed, it doesn’t seem you are after looking for any real information, but that you just want to find something to refute as it pertains to the KJB. With all do respect, it’s why I haven’t responded to your thread earlier.

 

I see that my friend (and you ARE my friend!) hasn't seen fit to respond to my post in 3.5 days. If I've offended you, my dear Brother, then I ask your forgiveness. As I thought I indicated in my thread, I'm NOT a "KJV hater," nor do I wish to put down anyone who holds to a KJVO position. If you love & use the KJV, that's fine with me. I use the KJV myself at times. All that I was trying to relate was that any version that's made by fallible men ("Of whom I am chief!") can have some errors in it because it's done by humans. In reality the Holy Spirit only inspired the original Hebrew & Greek autographs & thus, try as we may, there can be, shall we say, "Shortcomings" in anything that fallible humans attempt to produce. I bear no grudge to those who contend for the KJV version. They are brothers & sisters in Christ, and, as the song tells us, "He (or She) ain't heavy....He's my brother (or sister)!" I've been proven to be wrong many times in my almost 75 years of my life, and hopefully I've learned from those many times. If I've come on too strong for some, then I seek your forgiveness. As members of the Great Shepherd's flock, I contend (at least for me) that, just as I know I've done, can give folks a wrong impression. That's one area in which I'm a proven ace. Our enemy Satan & his helpers have had more experience in deceiving & misleading folks (& I'm Exhibit A) & then divert them from modelling a poor & humble spirit before a lost & dying world. We've been given soooo much from "Our Father Who Art in Heaven" which I don't appreciate, much less put into practice. I do love the spirit of Brothers John Ankerberg and John Weldon have displayed in their booklet "The Facts on the King James Only Debate" display. We have so much in common because of Jesus's shed Blood that we should not "Major on the Minors" instead of "Majoring on the Majors." How many times does His Word COMMAND us to, "YE shall BE MY witnesses" to a lost and hell-bound world of people ? I can think of at least 2 of them myself. Our lives don't need to be governed by this attitude. If your house was on fire, would you tell those fire fighters, "Sorry, your boots aren't the same brand as mine are....Go back from whence you came and put on the proper colored boots before you fight the flames by which my house is being consumed!!" Jesus gave me an object lesson of using that unnamed lad who happened to have his lunch in his hands, but he gave it to Him, and Jesus fed at least 5,000 men, plus the fact that God created us with two ears but only one mouth. Maybe He was trying to tell us something. Selah.

 

Paul, not sure who you are referring to, but since you quoted a post of mine in your post #60, thought I would respond. Nothing you have posted has offended me, and no apology is needed. If you are talking to someone else, I apologize for butting in. Have a blessed day.

 

I might add to what rlvaugn has said, that you quoted me in post 70 and 71 and I’m not sure if you’re referring to me. I’m in no way offended by you and I appreciate your last post. (72)
But again, if not referring to me, apologies.

 

My remarks weren't directed to any particular person as such. I merely wish that ALL sides of this (or any other "debate" here on BB be kept in mind that one of the things God hates is "He who causes division among the brethen be it with a local church or, in these instances, on line where just about any person can read. I've been on BB before with the ID of ktn4eg but had to temporarily cease due to several medical issues. PS: I AM Paul & I do live in Antioch, which happens to be a suburb of Nashville TN. But I believe THE other Paul from the other Antioch would probably write about the same thing; in fact II Corinthians tends to spend a lot of verses addressing the same thing 20+ centuries ago. Having only a BA in Bible & Christian Education (& that was way back in 1976!) +an MA in History in 1981 (My MA degree was from Austin Peay STATE Univ.) I've not been trained in all the niceties of textual criticism. OTOH I've personally witnessed (As a 1.5 YO in Christ) what lengths some Christians will go to "split" fellowship with one another & result in "Where 2 or 3 are gathered together in My name..." On Friday April 23 I'll be 55 YO in Christ's family & in 2.5 weeks from then I'll turn 75 YO in my "First Birthday" as a human being. It breaks my heart to see Brothers & Sisters involve themselves in such minor things as where the piano should be or, "I don't think that those flowers from Pastor (Fill in the Blanks) are very humble-minded!!" These sorts of things can (& have been) blown WAY out of proportion, especially in today's culture. The Father of Lies most be having lots of joy stirring things up amongst ourselves while his captives are suffering and dying because we who are supposed to be salt & light seem more to be unsavory & blinded by OUR perceived desires. There can be a time & place for differing with one another, but right now we need to make sure that EACH ONE of us has her/his armor on properly and our swords sharpened & fight our enemy in such a way that OUR SAVIOR and SHEPHERD would want. I'm not called to preach, but His Holy Spirit HAS called me to teach [Which I've tried to do in a formal JH-SH-& Bible College venue for almost 20 years}. Yes, I've had my shares of lost battles, and most of you on BB could do the same. OTOH, THE Great Deceiver hasn't surrendered yet, and neither should we. God's Word tells us that "Our help comes from the LORD," and it does, but it's kinda hard to shake hands when we've got a clenched fist. Jesus had to wake up His disciples after He was talking to His Father...He shouldn't have to do the same in our time, should He? "That's my story..............and I'm stikkin with it!!"

 

I'm not looking for anyone "to refute" about anything. Since my multitude of medical issues has kept me from posting anything on BB, I was (& still are) trying to do what I can to calm things down on BB. On this particular thread that some of my Brothers in Christ seem to want to do more than merely "debate" certain issues of which MAY be important in their place, BUT instead appear to have an attitude of, "I'm RIGHT and you are not only 100+%, but are FULL of misdirected source material(s) & should refrain from posting on any BB until you repent and cease & desist your HERESY(-IES)!"attitude Is this what our Savior & Shepherd of His flock should act before a lost & dying & therefore Hell bound? When I received Christ as my Personal Savior (Which date will be this coming Friday April 23rd.) I wasn't even 20 YO. Thankfully the Baptist church at which this occurred was of such merciful & gracious to this newly born infant that they didn't spend their time hurling innuendoes & accusations to a lost audience (Metropolitan BC was only 2 blocks from the entrance of the Univ of AZ, & often had college-aged students in her audience.), but Pastor Bowler didn't spend his time fretting over their appearance (Many of them were wearing the Hippy clothes that were in style among their age group.) or whether they had begun to question their need of receiving Jesus as Savior, etc. Although I was a member of MBC for only about a year's time B4 the USAF transferred me to Germany, I had enough experience to come to the conclusion that MBC's priorities were what I hoped would be reflected in me. Did I stumble & fall many times back then in trying to practice the lifestyle of what the Book of James wrote (& he was merely re-affirming what the Son of God did while He was here living amongst very "We're right on every single jot & tittle of the OT" not so Fair I Sees & we're Sad You See, but YOU, Mr so-called King of Kings and Lord of Lords that we're gonna kill you & thus rid ourselves of your "I'm-holier-than-you"!) attitude. Didn't Jesus teach & model for us what "Our Father Who Art in Heaven" wants us to? Again, I don't wish to set myself up as a standard by which my brothers and sisters need to model their lives. If anything, I'm more like that other Paul from that other Antioch said of his former lifestyle before Jesus came into his life. I don't WANT to point a finger of criticism at anyone, because were I to do so, I'd still have 3 fingers pointing to my heart. My prayer is only to try to calm down what I perceive is NOT what I'd want when I'm trying to be the witness for the One who died, was buried, & rose again all because "Jesus Loves Me, THIS I know." Selah.