Featured If God Never decreed/ordained the Fall...

I have told you why your conclusion is not logical, and have demonstrated the flaw in your logic. Your appropriate recourse is to prove your logic (instead of offering fallacies).

(The "poll" is flawed, BTW, and that's why I didn't answer. It presents supposed conclusions to a hypothetical of God's own mind. While I like Lewis Carroll, I don't want him in my theology.)

But please, it is your turn.

1+1=2. I know this. But I am not willing that 2 be the product of the addition. So I willingly add 1 and 1 and unwillingly get 2. Explain your logic here.

 

No side show at all. There is no answer. "Impossible to know" is also no answer because the question itself is invalid. It is like saying, hypothetically, if 1+1 does not equal 2, then does it equal 3,4 or 5. The poll itself reflects poor logic.

Again, no side show at all. I am asking you to defend your "logic". I understand you do not accept my explanation of why it is flawed, and I can accept that - BUT it is not logical for you to simply say "nope, you are wrong" as if we were children in the back seat teasing each other.

I made an assertion. I asserted that your logic is flawed because you affirm that God knew for certain that Adam would sin in the Garden, you affirm that knowing this God put Adam in the Garden, you indicate God acted willingly, yet you inconsistently claim that God was unwilling that Adam sin. This is not logic, it is theological presupposition.

And until the time comes when you can address what I have presented, it stands. You can hide from the conclusion, but it is still there. I "proved" your logic inconsistent. And it stands until you show otherwise.

 

I take your reply to mean you cannot defend your reasoning so you make a show of my belief none of the poll choices are adequate.

But, on the chance you find the intellectual integrity to substantiate your claims, I will ask once again.

You affirm that God knew for certain that Adam, when placed in the Garden, would sin. You confirm that God knew this before putting Adam in the Garden. And you confirm that God, knowing Adam would sin, planted the Garden (with that tree), took Adam and put Adam there (Adam didn't find it himself), yet God was not willing for Adam to sin. I think your logic is inconsistent. Can you defend your logic?

If I am unwilling for water to come out of the tap, and I know for certain that by pulling the handle water will flow, then my pulling the handle is a logical impossibility. Either there is a greater motive or reason (in which case I am willing to allow for water as it satisfies my greater desire) or I will never pull the handle.

 

Sure. If God never decreed (actively willed)/ordained (permissively willed) that the Fall occur then it would be impossible that God would have created man knowing this would be the result. There are two logical conclusions. Either God did not know (Open Theism) or God did not create man (Atheism).

Now back to you error. Have you worked out a defense yet?