Is there anything I can't do...........

Hmmm... I wonder if the Bible prohibits chocolate. There are many people addicted to chocolate.

 

In Deuteronomy 14:26, I see the command to eat in the presence of the Lord but I do not see where Moses said drink before the Lord.

Wonder why he did not say 'there you shall eat and drink before the Lord'?

The scripture tells us in Numberss that wine was to be poured out as a drink offering to the Lord. When you pour that drink offering, are you offering it to yourselves? or to the Lord?

 

Deuteronomy 14:26 "you may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine or strong drink,

 

PASTORSBC--You did not answer my question--Why do you fear that you will become addicted if Scripture does not prohibit the use of alcohol.

Second, the verse you quoted (Deut.14:26) has nothing to do with permitting the use of alcohol in "moderation" as it is used today. If you read it carefully and in context it says And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: AND THOU SHALT EAT there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household

God instructed the Jews to bring their tithes to Jerusalem (they were required two tithes, one of which went to the Levites), and if they were coming from far, they were to convert the tithe into money, which they could spend on food and wine and strong drink with which to celebrate God’s bounty during the annual religious festivals. Why does the Bible here indicate it was proper for the people to use strong drink when elsewhere it warns about the danger of the same (Pr 20:1; 23:29-35; 31:3-7; Isa 5:11,22; 28:1-29; 7:1-25)? The Hebrew word translated “strong drink” here is shekar, which is the same word elsewhere translated strong drink and strong wine. Thus God allowed the use of strong drink in moderation during the religious festivals. The moderation would have been emphasized, for drunkenness was forbidden in the Scriptures cited previously. The priests were never allowed to use strong drink when they were attending on the work of God (Le 10:9).

Things Hard To Be Understood: David Cloud (Deut. 14:26)

 

Scripture does not prohibit alcohol.

That does not take away from the fact that alcohol can do bad things, as many things can be bad. Thus, I have chosen to stay away from it.

 

Pretty sad you have to go looking for what David Cloud says on the issue...

 

So God allowed this then, but He doesn't now or at other times?

 

Pretty sad when people who claim to be Christians don't even adhere to the Word of God.

 

Since someone complained that the polls were skewed because non-Baptists voted in them, I posted a new one requestion only fundamental Baptists reply.

 

Isn't that sort of like saying "I only want people who agree with me to vote"?

 

speaking of votes: 15 yes 7 no.

 

Not really, but it could be construed that way. One reason that I hesitated though is that the word "fundamental" has become so misused, just as "liberal" and "conservative" have. That's the reason that I qualified "fundamental" as "believing the Bible".

However, you are correct in that many people have decided that "fundamental" means "agrees with me".

 

fundamental misconstrued and liberal as well.

calling good evil and evil good?

 

Ok, I am confussed. Above you say that wine was allowed at festivals, in "moderation" and drunkness was forbidden, which is what I have been saying the whole time, Wine in moderation is ok, Drunkness is not...

But, then here you seem to use the word "moderation" as a snear and jest at the fact that you can't drink in moderation...

Which is it? Is moderation a good word to use, or not?


Jamie

 

Jamie--

You folks who say the Bible permits a person to drink in moderation seem to use the word moderation very flippantly.

No, moderation is not a good word to use. Moderation is a very broad term--it can mean different things to different people. Where do you draw the line? Where does someone else draw the line? Before you drink your next glass of wine or beer, ask yourself these questions:
1. Does it bring me under its power?
2. Is it expedient? EXPEDIENT
That which serves to promote or advance; any means which may be employed to accomplish an end; hastening; suitable (Webster)
3. Does it edify?
4. Does it help or hinder my fellow man, does it cause my fellow man to stumble?

For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. (Galatians 5:13)

 

There have been far too many personal attacks in this thread. Two moderators have issued warnings that have gone unheeded. Both "sides" of this debate continue to stray from topic and attack each other or other Christians.

Last chance folks, stop questioning each others intellegence and spirituality or see immediate closure.

 

C4K,

Forgive me if I have seemed in that category. I only try to state my convictions and what the Lord revealed to me.

When questioned, I try to answer in a civil and godly manner. I hope that I have done so.

Blessings

Ron

 

Judges 9:13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?

 

You need to answer ALL the questions I posted, not just one.