Islam trying to be the worlds pariah

The Koran itself is sick but you won't look into it, Mr. Worldwide # 1 Dhimmi 2005.

 

The Koran is full of false theology. But, it is not the reason for terrorism. Evil and sick men are the reason for terrorism and I will not let them off the hook by blaming a book from a false religion.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I nominate you for # 1 Dhimmi 2005 Worldwide!

How do you know what the Koran is full of when you only look at one side of the issue, Mr. Worldwide # 1 Dhimmi 2005.

 

How do you know the Koran is evil when you only consider one side of the issue?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Dhimmi, you are a closed book on this issue.

 

Name calling really helps your case a lot...NOT! Why don't you address the issues?

Joseph Botwinick

 

I am merely calling you by the name that the Koran calls you by. You are a dhimmi according to the Koran. Yet you say that the Koran is not sick so therefore Mr. Dhimmi must be a good name for you, huh? I am surprised that you would take issue with the Koran!

 

CMG,

1. The Koran is a book of false theology for a false religion.

2. I said the Koran is not the reason for terrorism. Sick people who interpret it thus are the reason for terrorism.

3. I never said that I agreed with the message of the Koran, nor accepted it. I did say that I encourage more moderate understandings of it by Muslims if they are not going to convert to Christianity. If you cared about your children and grandchildren, you would too.

Joseph Botwinick

 

You, and now Texas, refuses to admit that the Koran is a sick book. You keep talking about how it was twisted and how people twist the Bible. Yet when I address you by the name that the Koran calls all Christians and Jews, you accuse me of name calling, etc., and you write me privately calling me a name that is forbidden by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, so I guess that you are twisting things yourself, Joseph.

From the Jewish Magazine:

"In 622 CE when Muhammad began his systematic conquering of pagan Arab populations and territories in the Arab desserts and peninsulas, he set up a precedent of conversion, death or servitude. Mixing war and religion, he utilized and abrogated relationships with non-Muslims to gain political and eventual territorial gains. A shrewd politician, Muhammad took advantage of non-belligerency pacts to attack and subjugate populations. In 628, after a long siege of Khaybar, lasting a month and a half, the inhabitants surrendered under terms of a treaty known as the dhimma. According to this agreement Muhammad allowed the Jews living there to continue to cultivate the land on the condition that they cede to him half of their produce, but he reserved the right to cancel the agreement and expel them whenever he desired. This became the prototype of all future subjugations. Hence making agreements and then breaking them to gain political gains became a hallmark of Muslim armies."

You lost the debate, Joseph.

 

I have lost nothing. You have not proven that there are not Muslims who are not terrorists and who want to reform their religion and embrace the western ideas of pluralism. I win.

Joseph Botwinick

PS: Generally, Private Messages are supposed to be kept private. I will keep that in mind that you don't have enough honor to do so in the future.

 

Your private message was an unprovoked disgrace that you should be ashamed to have sent. You got angry that the Koran considers you a dhimmi although you don't seem to mind that it considers me one. So I have shown that the Koran is a sick book by your anger and your private message.

 

1. You have shown nothing. I was angry that you called me this, not the Koran. The Koran is a book full of lies. You ought to know better, and anyone who reads your post with the least bit of objectivity knows it was meant as a slur against me. Your hatred shows through loud and clear.

2. If you have a problem with your brother, perhaps you should do what the Bible says and confront him in private first. I am ashamed that I got angry, but you should be ashamed of your hatred you have shown equally as well.

3. You have not proven that there are not Muslims who are not terrorists and who want to reform their religion and embrace the western ideas of pluralism. I win.

Better luck next time.

Joseph Botwinick

 

As I say, you think that dhimmi is a slur against you but you don't care that it is a slur against any other non-muslims. You are both a one-way street and a closed book on this issue and you now accuse me of hatred. When will your accusations end against non-muslims?

 

As I said, what a false book says does not matter to me. It is what you said and how you said it that matters. If you want to hold on to your hatred, then I will pray for you. This is the end of this discussion for me in public unless you want to address the issues at hand...mainly that you have not proven that there are not Muslims who are not terrorists and who want to reform their religion and embrace the western ideas of pluralism. I win. If you want to discuss personal issues, then PM me.

Joseph Botwinick

 

What hatred? All Christians and Jews are dhimmi according to the sick book the Koran. The Koran has human rights abuse built into it in the areas of women and sodomites, for example. The Arabs want to give sodomites the death penalty while the apostate Christians want to give sodomites same-sex marriage. The Koran has given us 1300 years of attempted conquest of the world.

I have no intentions of sending you a PM and I deleted your previous PM.

 

That is fine. You still have not won the debate however, as your description of Islam above only describes those who are Islamic extremists and not those who are moderate Muslims. You have not proven your point. I have. I win.

Joseph Botwinick

 

That stuff all comes from the Koran. As I said before, there is so much of it that it would take up too much space to research it all and post it all. It is all laid out in www.answering-islam.org for anyone who wants to read what the Koran says about jihad, dhimmis, women, and sodomites, for examples. Also, I will cite John Warwick Montgomery, the leading Lutheran theologian alive today, as saying that Islam has built-in human rights abuse stemming from the Koran.

 

Church Mouse,

I am NOT a fan of the Quran.

I think it, like any other non-biblical religious book is false doctorine, and therefore I am totally against it.

I think that Islam is a false religion, BUT -

I once spent a month defending the bible against the same kind of attacks that people here make against the Quran. People told me that God must be evil - He destroyed the entire earth with a flood. People said "God is evil look at the times He ordered the murder of children," and pointed to old testament scriptures saying to destroy the enemies of the Jews, even the wives and children, or to the Passover and the first born. Some people view OUR faith as "hateful" and some people view Christians as wanting to kill everyone who is different.

How many times have non Christians reminded us of the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition? How many CHristians IGNORED the plight of the Jews during Hitlar's assault on the world?

Christ said, "Love your enemies."
Christ said, "Love those that hate you."

Hating those who are Islamic will NOT stop their holy war.
PRAYING will.

ONLY God can stop Islam.

Instead of spreading hate, lets turn to God.

[ July 09, 2005, 12:17 AM: Message edited by: TexasSky ]

 

You must be religious left. Why don't you go to www.answering-islam.org and read the volumes of material for yourself. The Koran is a sick book.

 

Still haven't proved your point.

I win.

Joseph Botwinick