Mark 13:30

I find it quite interesting that the Bible has 200+ clear references to a future and literal Kingdom, yet so many take 5 exceptional passages and form a fallacious doctrine of some sort of mystical and magical Kingdom. Out of those 5, the KJV translators' notes admit that they may have translated Luke 17:21 incorrectly and they list the translation that matches most other translations.

That would be like taking the biblical expression, "there is no God" and forming a doctrine out of it.

One picture and type of the Kingdom is seen in 1 Samuel in the story of Saul and David. Saul was king, just as Satan was ruler, but he was "removed" for disobedience. (Ephesians 2:2 and John 16:11 both tell us that Satan is presently on the throne.)

Comparing Colossians 1:13 with Acts 13:22 helps us get an understanding of what is involved in a person being transferred or moved. In Acts 13:22 (which is drawing from 1 Samuel), Saul had been rejected [it says that he had been “removed”], and God then raised up David to be king in Israel. (Acts 13:22
And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the [son] of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.)

But, did Saul step down immediately? No, Saul remained in power as king until his death, and his rejection [his “removal” though still seated on the throne] was God's announcement that his days as king were numbered. Saul would one day be put down, and another would then ascend the throne (David). God would remove Saul from power and place David in power, in complete keeping with Daniel 4:17-32.

After Saul had been rejected, although he was still occupying the throne, God singled out David and instructed Samuel to anoint him king in Saul’s place. Although he was anointed king in Saul’s stead, David didn't immediately ascend the throne. Although Saul was rejected, he continued to reign. During this time, David found himself rejected in a different sense (by man, not God), exiled, and passing through a time of trials and sufferings.

During this time, a number of individuals who were dissatisfied with existing conditions in the kingdom under Saul, left Saul's kingdom and associated themselves with David. In doing this, they found themselves occupying exactly the same position in which David found himself during this time; they were rejected, exiled, and passing through a time of trials and sufferings.

The band of men who had left the kingdom under Saul and had associated themselves with David simply changed positions, and this is what we’re talking about in Colossians 1:13. There was no existing kingdom under David in which these men found themselves, just as there is no existing kingdom under Christ in which Christians presently find themselves. In David's day, Saul still occupied the throne, just as Satan continues to occupy the throne today. David was waiting to ascend the throne, just as Christ is presently waiting to ascend the throne. Those who had joined themselves to David had been moved into a new position (from the kingdom under Saul, anticipating the kingdom under David) in order to share David's glory in a coming day, and those who have joined themselves to Christ have been moved into a new position (from the kingdom under Satan, anticipating the kingdom under Jesus Christ) in order to share in his glory in that coming day.

I want us to pay attention to the purpose for this interim in the type during David's day; a time during which David could acquire the necessary rulers to hold positions of power with him when he took the kingdom. For every type, there is an antitype. In the antitype, the purpose for the interim is exactly the same; it is a time during which Jesus Christ can acquire the necessary rulers to hold positions of power with Him when He takes the Kingdom.

So, relative to this, Acts 13:22 forms the type (actually, it restates the type from 1 Samuel), and Colossians 1:13 the antitype. Types with their corresponding antitypes always have to be understood and interpreted exactly the same way. The move in Colossians 1:13 can only be a move from an association with the power and authority which Satan presently exercises in his kingdom into an association with the rejected position presently hold by the King who will one day replace Satan. It has nothing to do with a move into a position where the King already exercises power and authority, but this is what many people erroneously believe and teach. The type doesn't allow understanding the verse in this manner. Though the move in the type had to do with regality, it could not be brought to pass until a future day. And matters in the antitype must be understood after exactly the same fashion as seen in the type.

Although the Kingdom is literal and future and not something that is merely spiritual, we are spiritually following our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, just as those who surrounded David followed him, even though they were still in a Kingdom that was ruled by Saul. And we are awaiting that glorious day when our King will ascend the throne, just as David’s men were awaiting the day that he would ascend the throne.

 

I just put my faith in the Lord. Don't make no difference what anyone says if its not in accordance with the Lord I don't want it.
Luke, chapter 17
20": And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

"21": Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is'> within you.

 

Who denies the Bible taught a future kingdom. Who says a spiritual Kingdom can’t be literal. Did the Holy Spirit literally come on Pentecost?

When did Daniel predict the Kingdom would be established?

Was the Kingdom conditional on Jewish acceptance?

What did John mean when he said “the time is fulfilled”?

 

Sorry, I omitted the adjective "merely" from "spiritual".

We are spiritually a part of that future and glorious Kingdom by attaching ourselves to the Lord, just as the men who followed David were a part of his future kingdom by attaching themselves to him.

But, just as they were not literally a part of his Kingdom until he ascended the throne, neither will we be literally a part of the coming Kingdom until Jesus ascends the throne in glory.

 

Are you a KJVO, Bob? Do you believe the Scriptures, or do you believe in the imperfect work of men? Even if you are a KJVO, why would you deny what the KJV translators said when they said that "among you" was also a possible rendering of the verse? Do you only accept part of what they translated?

Since Jesus was speaking directly to the Pharisees, by your reasoning, then the Kingdom of God was within these people who you claim are unsaved.

I wonder why he would do that?

 

He told the Pharisees that it come not by observation but the deciples were there too and He was speaking to them also when He said the Kingdom is within you. We know the kingdom was not in the Pharisees.

 

Bob, if you break the Greek down and look at the grammar, he was speaking to the pharisees. Even in the KJV, he was speaking to the Pharisees, then in verse 22, he turned to the disciples and said...

 

So you believe the Kingdom was in the Pharasees. I don't think so Hope.