MSNBC article: Do you believe in Hell?

Let me ask you this: Why would a person put his trust in Jesus in the first place? What is the purpose of salvation? You say that you believe in hell---why? What list would hell be added to????????? Would you not want to warn the lost about hell and judgment?? What you are saying does not make any sense at all. Warning the lost about hell IS vital in presenting the gospel message.

Here ya go---Luke 16: The rich man and Lazarus---this is NOT a parable.

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Luke 16:19-31)

If one doesn't believe in a "literal" hell -- I guess one has to to die and find out if it's true--this might sound harsh, but I guess that will be the only way to find out. The rich man sure did find out---didn't he?

 

Barbarian observes:
I know there's a hell, I'm asking a question.

Suppose a man puts his trust in Jesus but is wrong about the existence of Hell. Since Jesus tells us in Matthew what is necessary to be saved, and doesn't mention a belief in Hell, should we presume to add it to the list?

I don't think so.

Don't know about you, but for me, I love God.

To be happy with Him.

Faith.


Originally Posted by The Galatian
Show me something in Scripture or tradition that says so. I'm not asking for vague references to accepting His word. I'm asking for specific support for your specific claim. What do you have?

I know Hell exists. As you now see, there is no scirptural or traditional basis for saying that one must believe in Hell to be saved. That's a doctrine some fallible human dreamed up.

True of a lot of things. But you still need to show me where it says that one who does not believe in Hell won't be saved.

Indeed. But it wasn't because he didn't believe in Hell, was it? Beware of adding your own requirements to salvation.

 

Loving God means warning the lost of hell and judgment--being obedient to the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20) and sharing the Gospel--and that means telling them that there is a "literal" hell. Nothing is being added to the salvation message. Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. If there is no salvation, there is a hell that awaits that soul who rejects that salvation.

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: (2 Corinthians 5:14)

Salvation is the free gift of God's eternal blessing through the atonement of Jesus Christ. It is offered to all who will believe on Christ (Ro 1:16-17; 3:22-30; 4:3-8,24; 10:8-13). It is through faith ALONE and grace ALONE, not by any admixture of grace and law, faith and works (Ro 4:13-16; 11:6).

Faith in what? Since I don't base my faith on tradition, but solely on Scripture, I have posted plenteous Scriptures about salvation--that hell is not added in order to be saved--I simply showed you that Jesus preached on hell and warned about the judgment to come.

In order to be saved, one must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) I never said that one must believe in hell in order to be saved---you added that. All I have stated from the very beginning is that when a person is saved (by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone--Eph. 2:8-9), they WILL believe in a "literal" hell, because it would be contrary to what Christ preached, NOT to do so. One cannot believe CONTRARY to what Christ preached and be saved too.

Would you want a person do die first and find out there is a hell--or would you rather warn them of the judgment of hell? The Lord Jesus Christ preached so much about hell because he loves men and does not want them to go there. (Mt 5:22; 12:23; 13:42,50; 18:8-9; 23:33; 25:41,46; Mr 9:43-48; Lu 16:19-31.)

I have added NOTHING to salvation. It was BECAUSE of the rich man's UNBELIEF that he went to hell--NOT his BELIEF in hell.

 

If one claims to be saved, and that one emphatically states that there is no hell, then that one is not saved.

Jesus taught and warned of hell.

Matt 5:22, 29f; 10:28; 11:23; 16:18; 18:9; 23:15, 33; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; Luke 10:15; 12:5; 16:23; Rev 1:18;


Revelation 22:19 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Revelation 21:8 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. If one denies the very words of Christ that there is a hell, that hell is a place of torment, that hell is a place where the fire is not quenched, then that one will find his place in the lake of fire.


Remember, even the devils believe that Jesus is the Christ, but they are not saved.

 

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I know you want us to believe it. But in the absence of any scriptural support saying that those who don't believe in Hell are lost, there's no reason to accept your revision.

It is always unwise to add doctrines to Christianity, but setting up new requirements for salvation is especially wrong.

Jesus makes it very simple. In Matthew 25, He says how He will decide who goes with Him, and who goes to the place reserved for Satan an his angels.

Read it, and live by it. Because there is a Hell. And while not believing in it won't get you there, there are things that will.

 

I have already given the scripture that that person cannot be saved, Galatian.

Rev. 21:8 ...all liars... have their place in the lake of fire. Or did you miss that?

One who claims to be saved and teaches there is no such thing as hell is lying and cannot be saved. Christ said there is a hell. Revelation says liars will go to the lake of fire. Saved people will not be cast in the lake of fire. If one lies saying there is no hell, that one is not saved.

 

Been reading through all the posts in this thread, and you have NOT given any scripture to back up what you say.

AMEN, HBSMN!!

 

John 3:16 (Revised BB Edition) For God so loved the world, he sent his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him, and believeth in hell, and doth not dress immodestly, and doth not listeneth to music of a contemporary style, and doth not allow a woman to speaketh in the assembly, and keepeth all of my commandments all the days upon the earth; these, and only these shalt be saved.

 

Doesn't say anything about a person who doesn't believe in Hell being sent there. This one, someone just invented on their own. It's not in God's Word.

[quiote]One who claims to be saved and teaches there is no such thing as hell is lying and cannot be saved. [/quote]

I know you want us to believe it. But you'll need something more substantial than your insistence.

If one does not believe in a Hell, then one is not lying by saying it does not exist. Lying is intentional falsehood.

By now, I think you're well aware that there is nothing whatever in Scripture that says one who doesn't believe in Hell cannot be saved. It's just man's doctrine, seeking to improve on God's Word.

And no, I can't show in Scripture where a man who doesn't believe that men have walked on the moon isn't sent to Hell, either. So, are you now saying that people who doubt the Apollo mission was true, are going to Hell? Your argument would apply equally to both.

 

How very foolish!!!

 

Preach it brother Magnetic! :laugh:

Indeed. Magnetic Poles' humorous remonstrance illustrates what comes of trying to improve on God. Let God decide.

 

You sit there in judgment---show us the scripture to back up what you say.

 

Galatian and Magnetic Poles,

A lie is a lie, whether unintentional or not. To say it is not a lie because one just because one does not beleive hell exists is about as foolish as a thief stealing something and say it isn't stealing if I don't get caught. Or, for someone to deny they killed someone just because no one saw them.

Well, guess what? Someone did see the thief. Someone did see the murder. Someone did hear the lie. God did. And God's Word, as HBSMN pointed out, says 'all liars will have their part in the lake of fire.' It did not say just those liars who lied intentionally, it said 'all liars.'

 

2 Tim 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables

May God have mercy on their souls.

 

AMEN Revmitchell!!

Many are believing false doctrines that do not even suggest to people that the Words of Christ are true. They teach there is no hell. If they can convince themselves that there is no hell, then they have no need to fear the judgment. But hell is real and judgment is imminent. You can't pick and choose what you want to believe that Christ said--you must believe all of Christ's Words.

 

You forgot Sunday worship... :laugh:


Seriously, the more I consider this the more confused I get. To believe in Jesus is to believe in heaven. Heaven has to have an opposite or there is no reason for a heaven...

What is hot without cold? What is in without out? They each just become words without the opposite to give the word relative meaning. To believe in Jesus and not hell is equivilant to believing in Jesus and not God.