Predestined to what?

Adoption has to do with position within the family, not being put into the family. When you are born from above into the family of God, what need to have to be artificially placed into the family?

At the moment that you are saved or born from above, you are in the family.

Placement within the family comes later; that's what you're waiting for.

 

John, chapter 6
"63": It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


Ephesians, chapter 2
"1": And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians, chapter 2
"5": Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved


1 Corinthians, chapter 15
"36": Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Romans, chapter 8

"11": But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall (also quicken) your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
(Also means something has already been quicken, "the soul".)

Romans 8
"21": Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

"22": For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

"23": And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

1 Corinthians, chapter 15
"36": Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:


(actually this Scripture is talking about the body but same is true with the Soul, it must first die and the Soul has already died dead to the love of sin and made alive in Christ Jesus and is waiting on the redemption of the body, which is in the resurrection.)

And no!! I wasn't saying God could say one thing and do another for He said "time and chance has happened to all men".

 

We're at ten pages. Let's wrap this up. Without objection from other moderators, let's invoke the 24 hour notice. This thread will be closed at or after 10 am Tuesday, eastern.

 

why?

He tells you in Rom 9:20, 21:love2:

 

the truth

Actually Annie, both of what you state are true! God is sovereign and chooses some to come to Him in faith. Also, man is responsible and accountable as to his decisions and his life, though at the same time he is deciding and choosing God has determined it all! That in no way frees us from being both responsible and accountable!

 

Tom Vols;
Are the threads only going to be allowed 10 pages now with the new format?

 

Administrators and Moderators set policy here at Baptist Board (Thank GOD!) and have the discretion to close threads at any time. In an effort to conserve much needed bandwidth, a general rule of thumb has been ten pages, give or take, unless circumstances mitigate otherwise. However, the new Baptist Board has shorter pages than the previous one. Therefore, I'll revoke the 24 hour notice. However, bandwidth is not the only reason this can be invoked. Members who do not carry themselves in a Christlike demeanor (something that has gotten out of hand lately in this forum), topics that are not on point, pages full of rehash, etc., can invoke the 24 hour notice. As I said, I'll revoke the 24 hour notice, but let's keep the gloves up and do right by each other, okay?

 

I differ

I beg to differ! Please dont tell Paul what he is saying when he so clearly has stated his point with perfectly easy to be understood words! Calvinists are not wrong. Arminians refuse to consider and allow that God is sovereign and that they are not in charge, He is!
Have you prayed with sincerity and asked God to reveal whether His word is true! He will answer and show you all the doctrines of grace in detail, with scripture to substantiate each one so clearly you cant possibly miss it!

 

[Removal of off topic post. Please focus on the original topic of the opening post. If you wish to discuss something else start a new thread.]

 

Calvinists and Arminians can both hurl the "Pray and God will reveal truth to you so you can agree with me" at each other all day long. Does it really help the discourse any? Come on folks.

 

That's my point. It's not a predestination to simply being saved.

 

Perhaps it doesnt help the discourse but it certainly helped my life, which is what I was attesting to actually!
Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps!!

It was providence, for sure!

 

On turning "hardening" into "mercy", from "Bondage of the Will" by Martin Luther.

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Ecclesiastes
"2": Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
"14": I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
"17": Therefore I hated life; because the work that is wrought under the sun is grievous unto me: for all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
"19": For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
"8": Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.

 

Help us out. How is quoting this phrase in Eccl. germane to the topic?

 

Help us out. How is quoting this phrase in Eccl. germane to the topic?[/quote]
I was just going along with your statement above, just agreeing with what you said.