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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by SheepWhisperer, Dec 11, 2017.

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  1. JonShaff

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    and why again does it take regeneration to believe the implications of what you posted?
     
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    It's NOT a legitimate question. Why does one person believe this vs. Another believe that. That I will never be able to answer in totality. One Believed and the Other didn't.
     
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    God saved me, I didn't save myself. Quit playing with semantics.
     
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    I did not say nor imply otherwise.

    I am not. It was YOU who responded to my statement:
    "So your salvation is based on YOUR faith and YOUR yielding" by saying "First, it's not my salvation, It's God's."

    I pointed out where the Scriptures say it is our salvation.

    So, it would seem the only one playing semantics is you. :)
     
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    Exactly! Your theology is too deficient to be able to answer the question.

    Why did "one believe and the other didn't?"
     
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    It's a mystery.
     
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    Because the unsaved person doesn’t accept the things of God’s Spirit, because they are foolish to him, and he can’t understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
     
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    Not to me. Only to an Arminian. I can answer the question. :)
     
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    You may answer it, that doesn't make you Correct
     
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    Definitely a mystery of the heart...that only GOD would see.
     
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    So unsaved people can't believe, reason, yield their will...OK man.

    You must deny a lot of Scripture to develop your theological framework. [Edited: Insult]
     
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    Uh, you are aware, are you not, that what I posted, and what you disagreed with, is a direct quote from 1st Corinthians chapter 2?
     
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    As I answer it with a verse of scripture, it makes God correct. :)
     
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    I'm not an Arminian. The answer to the question is "because God did not open that person's eyes to the saving power of the gospel."
     
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    "It's a mystery" is the go-to cop out answer that Calvinists give when they can't answer a question. I just thought I'd throw it out there for TCassidy.
     
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    Ah I gotcha. I just assumed we were talking about a person's thought process...which is something I can not discern. Judging motives in next to impossible.
     
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    God is correct regardless of what you say. You proof texting Scripture does not make YOU OR your theology Correct, however.
     
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    Which is why I avoid proof-texting. :)
     
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    Totally aware. The burden of proof is on you to explain that that Scripture is speaking about conversion, which it is not.
     
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    I didn't say you were.
    Exactly! But WHY does God open some eyes and not others?
     
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