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Romans Chapter Eleven

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by R. J., Dec 22, 2006.

  1. jne1611

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    Your right about Spurgeon. His pre - mil could be classed as classic, but it was still Pre - mil as was John Gill's.
     
  2. Mel Miller

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    Jim,
    I followed your request to post the truth and you said you would respond!
    That was two days before Christmas!! Your view of reward to the Martyrs
    places them on the earth during the Millennium; but John sees them in
    Heaven "serving God as pillars in the Temple" with blessings that the rest
    of the Saints will not experience for another thousand years!!!

    I still wonder if you will respond and explain why the Martyrs will "serve God as pillars in the Temple for 1000 years", who you allege were not INDWELT by the Holy Spirit on earth; yet they suddenly become recipients of the highest possible reward promised to "Church Overcomers"...having been martyred and are already seen in heaven before Jesus comes with His rewards for "every believer"!?! Rev.3:11-12; Matt.16:27; Rev.22:12.

    How can you support your statement that the "Churches of Rev.2-3 are
    assemblies of endtimes Jews"? Why did you not respond, as promised, to
    give 15 reasons for your view?? Does it seem too realistic that God would
    reward Tribulation Martyrs with 1000 years of blessings before He creates
    the New Heaven in which all the Bride will dwell??? Rev.3:12; Rev.7:15-17; Rev.20:4-5.

    Mel Miller www.lastday.net
     
  3. Mel Miller

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    Friends,

    What make Romans 11:25-27 so important?

    The very Day of God's Vengeance (2 Thess.1:8-10) upon those guilty of shedding the blood of the Martyrs of Jesus and refusing to repent of their evil deeds terminates the "Days of Vengeance and Wrath" overhanging God's former people, the Jews, since AD 70! Luke 21:22-24.

    "Jerusalem will be trodden under the feet of Genitles until the Times of the Gentiles are fulfilled"! Luke 21:24. The End of the Age occurs at the killing of the Two Witnesses when tbe 1260 days of "Chronos-Time" and their task are finished...no longer subject to a countdown!! Rev.10:6-7; 11:6-7. Dispensationalists preempt (disable) the fulfillment of Rev.10:6-7 at the End of the Age when "God's Mystery was finished (past tense) in the days whenever the 7th Trumpet is about (present tense) to sound"!!!

    Dispensational Doctrine places the "Fulness of the Gentiles" 1260 days prior to Midweek rather than 1260 days after Midweek of Daniel's 70th Seven! Their doctrine separates the Rapture of the Saints from the DAY of salvation for "all Jews of the houses of Jacob and Israel" by seven years rather than both being fulfilled at the End of the Age...on the Day of Vengeance to avenge the blood of the Martyrs and to deliver every Believer"!! The "Days of Vengeance" for all Jews ends at the "fulness of Gentile times on the Day of Vengeance with Christ coming to deliver every believer who believes because of Paul's Gospel and at the same time in flaming fire to destroy earth's destroyers"!!! 2 Thess.1:8-10; Rev.11:18.

    The deeper significance for the "fulness of the Gentiles" resides in God's plan to "show mercy to all" mankind (Rom.11:32-33) for 1000 years! Salvation will finally come to both Jews and Gentiles alike after God has demonstrated both Israel and the Nations have rejected Jesus!! Restored Israel will bring the knowledge of God to everyone during the iron-like rule of Christ in person over all the nations!!!

    IN THE NEW COVENANT,
    "God no longer remembers the sins of the Houses of Judah and Israel! For
    everyone will know the Lord, from the least to the greatest!! The old covenant, made old and growing aged, is near the vanishing point"!!! Heb.8:6-13.

    We need to line-up the End of the Age with the termination of God's Mystery when armies are gathered to Armageddon! In that context Jesus promises to bless every believer who WATCHES, for "Behold, He is coming like a thief" and urges believers to stay clothed and not be seen naked and be ashamed on the Day the 7th Angel sounds that "God's wrath has come"!!! Rev.11:7-18; Rev.16:14-17.

    "Chronos-Time, God's Mystery and the Times of the Gentiles are fulfilled in the days whenever the 7th Trumpet is about to sound that God's wrath has come and the appointed time to Judge (Resurrect and Reward) the Saints"! All this happens on the same day the Two Witnesses and the 144,000 are taken to heaven!! Because Jesus promised to rescue the Jews and "raise up and gather every believer to Himself" before the Hour of Trial "comes on all the inhabitants on all the face of all the earth"!!! Rev.3:10-11; Mark 13:27; Matt. 24:31; Luke 21:25-36.

    Mel Miller www.lastday.net
     
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