Some Justice for New Orleans Gun Owners

Good points Dragoon. I agree.

 

My point, obviously not well put, was that even though the NRA people say they won't give up their arms, the incident in LA. proves otherwise.

Honoring God would be fulfilling my duty as a husband and father to protect my family, and since the Constitution and Bill of Rights allows it, it is good. As much as I deplore taking another's life I would do so to protect my family. In a heartbeat. </font>[/QUOTE]hillclimber, I would protect my family as well. but I would not use a gun and kill someone. In the event that I would, I would know that I was wrong. There is no excuse for it, even if you are "protecting your family". I don't know where the Bible tells us to kill in order to protect our family. It does tell us to hate our father and mother (in comparison to our love for Christ). If it does tell us to kill to protect our family, thus honouring God, then I am open to it. Please show me where it says that.

To Bunyon: we may be having a shooting spree in Toronto. You have them over there too. I guess these criminals doing the shooting figured they had the right to bear arms. Maybe they were lunatics and thought they were protecting themselves or their families.

In any case, if they didn't have the guns, would the shooting spree happen? BTW...any sane American with the right to bear arms could one day go nuts and go on a shooting spree, claim the right to bear arms, say his mother beat him up when he was a tyke and he feared for his life cuz some mean guy who looked like his mama made a face at him. </font>[/QUOTE]The very fact that you have stated you will not use a gun,(deadly force) means you are an easy target for evil. All the bad guys have to do is show a gun and they know they win. Killing for self (familial) protection is fully warranted, and God never says to hate your parents. Just the opposite. The Bible doesn't have to say it. It infers it.
Your sane shooting spree scenario is not valid. Going nuts negates the sanity part.

 

Dragoon...agreed.

hillclimber...I don't believe I'm an easy target for evil. I have God to protect me. But hey...we're all targets.

I believe Jesus said "if a man does not hate his family he cannot be my disciple". I will go look up the exact reference though...to satisfy the bloodlust of a certain member here.

I may change my mind about fighting back. But if it's wrong to fight back verbally on the BaptistBoard...why would it be ok for us to fight back physically and kill someone?

My shooting spree scenario is valid. A sane person can go insane. That is what happens every time someone goes insane. They were sane at one time.

 

Luke 14:25-27

25 Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, 26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple

I'm wondering if I can even be His disciple if I kill someone in self-defense...as that would be "loving my life". But according to someone on here...what would I know?

 

And others in the past on here have basically called me a heretic for saying that we should hate our family in comparison to our love for Christ. There it is though...in black and white.
The defense rests.

 

King James,

I'll take my chances on a Loving and Forgiving God being able to forgive me for defending my little blond haired, blue eyed granddaughter.

People who are unwilling to use guns should not own them. You are wise not to own a gun.

 

Oh I'd probably be willing...but would I be right?

 

You've simply gotten contextually off track. Don't rest to long, you need more doctrine in your soul.

 

Your hesitation would get you killed and the question would be moot.

 

You've simply gotten contextually off track. Don't rest to long, you need more doctrine in your soul. </font>[/QUOTE]Advice taken. Note though, that I said we are to hate them in comparison to how much we love Jesus.

 

Your hesitation would get you killed and the question would be moot. </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe. Maybe not. I can trust God to not let the guy's gun work. I can trust God to kill him on the spot. Or I can trust that it was God's time for me to go. He determines when I die and how...not me. If it were up to me...I would feel differently. I would not let someone shoot me.

 

All personal defense teachers make one point very clear.

If there is any ambiguity in your mind about using deadly force then do not carry a gun or a knife for self-defense purposes.

The person who carrys a weapon must have already determined in his or her mind that they will use the weapon to terminate the threat.

Hesitation, doubt or confusion will get you killed most of the time in a hostile confrontation.

 

Hardsheller, I agree with you. You are right, from one perspective. The other perspective though, is that God could protect you in any myriad of ways from being killed. If there were no God in the picture, I'd totally agree with you. But God is in the picture and though I still totally agree with you, I am considering the alternative perspective that I provided...if anyone can follow what I just said.

 

He didn't need a gun either. Jesus Christ would suffice. But that's just my thinking...

Then a believer wouldn't need seat belts, guards, security systems, dogs, insurance of any kind, new tires, etc.

 

I don't know...Jesus told us to pray for our enemies not to fight back. He never gave an opinion one way or another on security systems, dogs, seatbelts or anything. But He did tell us to obey the laws of the land and that requires wearing seatbelts.

I am trying to have a decent debate with you but I know for a fact someone will say we are fighting so I think I will end it here. Been fun.

 

I imagine some bright individuals will say that in order for instances like this to be avoided in the future the registering of all guns will be necessary.

I doubt many will be returned to their rightful owners.

 

Yes Poncho, they continually try to get us separated from our guns, but the second amendment stands firmly in the way. They ultimately will succeed if we continue on the path of a living constitution. But registering the guns does not require a possession change. You would continue to retain possession. Incedently, the criminal simply wouldn't comply with registration demands.