The bumpy road to the partial openness of God

Not much of a God who is limited in some way pertaining to the fulfillment of His divine purpose and will, is it?

Perhaps that is the issue... Lowering God to the point where He is manageable by rebellious human beings who are yet being enticed by the same enemy that worked on Eve in the Garden... "Did God truly say?" :BangHead:

 

Thank you, yes I was referring to the highlighted portion. Appreciate your response and your contributions.

 

Yes, GL, it has been several years, have not read his latest work, as it seems he continues to attempt, however subtlety, create a model of the cosmos, without the requirement of a beginning.

 

GL, I "know" and "understand" your disposition against "free will" in any flavor, save that as it is defined by classical reformed theology, but it is certainly a logical argument that God can (if he so choose) "limit" himself in any manner he deems to so, if not, then He is not all powerful. I really do not think it is a "fair" allegation to level at others, that being, that any view of God's Sovereignty, other than "reformed" is a diminished view of that Sovereignty.

The classic he said/she said situation is erroneously applied with regard to Cals and (no names), whereas, we "no names" claim the Cals have a diminished view of the "love and justice" of God, while the Cals claim that we "no names" have a diminished view of His sovereignty. The truth, most likely, if we could actually "get inside" one another's heads, is that neither claim is actually true.

 

What if God had so ordained it that while he does know all possible outcomes to what could happen in any given situation, and has His divine plan for each different way a decision could go, has chosen to "blind" Himself to knowing what will actually be done until the person selects, choses, which way he will go, THAN God will "see" it and select the proper will/plan based upon that specific chose made out of all possible ones?
(Don't believe that is happening at all, but would someone teaching this "open" knowledge of God see it this way?)

 

This is close to a "hybridization" between "openness" and molinism. At least, that is how I am reading your supposition.

 

The partially open view has God knowing everything that exists to be known. Also everything that is possible. Where we all on some level take issue with or are on some level surprised by the open view is when it states that the future does not exist to be known except the future that God has predetermined. This in many peoples estimation is where mans understanding of time leaves much to be desired as it relates to God. So to answer your question directly, someone teaching the open view would not teach that God blinds Himself to future knowledge .
As explained thus far by Van, I don't know if he has really made a clear distinction as to whether the future actions of free creatures is something knowable or not knowable in his bumpy path. Maybe I missed it, if so, somebody please refer me to it. Thanks

 

Van, I mean you no disprespect, but even after reading this, I still "don't get it", are there some articles scholarly and biblical that you could point me to, in order to more fully grasp?

 

what if God has apredetermined paln/will for each individual response possible in every decision being made, yet has "willed" Himself to "wait" until the other party chooses which action they will take, than he already predeternmined plan goes into actually effect?
God stays absolute control, as the path chosen by other party already he has foreordain what must now come to opass on the path, but He had to "see" which of the possible paths other chose to select?

In salvation..

God already has chosen, elected those he will to etrnal life, but based upon which time in the plan of God they chose to come aboard... God will have different plan for depending just when the elected person realises his election and chooses to act upon it!

Again, I do not believe in this, but this would seem to try to be a "workable" solution to open/closed view on Gods way of being Omnscience......

 

Yes GL,
Satan keeps trying to undermine God,His Word,and His eternal purpose.They who do this need to learn the lesson on Dan4:35.

 

Van—I almost hesitate to say anything else to you—b/c I don’t wont you to think that I dislike you as an individual or that I’m out to get you—b/c I’m not—just be careful with some of your teachings—at times you have some very good & deep thoughts---However your conclusions & personal interpretation of Scripture is often questionable at best! I know your retired—but have you ever considered taking some biblical/theological classes on the collegiate level—you don’t have to agree with everything that is taught—but it will allow you to bounce your ideas off trained professionals & they can help you smooth out some of your rough edges. Just a thought—peace my brother!

 

Van—I have no idea if that was directed at me—but I never once said (in a serious manner) that I was worried about you not liking me (I honestly could care less)—I’ve only said things so you know I’m not trying to pinpoint you personally & bully you. But since you are so well self educated would you mind listing the “shoddy” Calvinist works you’ve read & a list of scholars who agree with you—I’d be interested in knowing who it is you think has a handle on good theology!

 

This isn't about Calvinist or Arminian...

It is about doing proper theology, which you are ATTEMPTING to do in these posts, but without much coherence.

We're not lobbing ad homenims toward you, if anything, in respect and love, we're pointing out that you are not really coherent in your statements, often holding points in contradiction with other points. An unteachable mind is a dangerous mind... We, each of us, must be willing to grow in understanding, in technique, in wisdom, and in experience as we all process the SAME Scriptures, which had one distinct understanding as they came off the pen of the original writer. It is our task to discover that ONE understanding, then apply that via implications to our own set of circumstances in context with the rest of the Word of God, because the Word, nor God, is divided against it or Himself.