The bumpy road to the partial openness of God

Yes, from before creation, God knew with total certainity that the Lamb of God, born of Mary and thus the seed of Eve, would crush Satan. The issue is not the part of the future that God has predestined, the issue is over whether God has predestined "whatsoever comes to pass" as some interprete the confession. No plan of God can be thwarted.

 

Lets consider the idea that we were "in Christ" because God planned to put us "in Christ." Now with this plan in place, before the fall, God did not pass over our sins. So, we must say God passed over our foreseen sins. But then God is taking our characteristics into account, and thus the election is not unconditional.

You see folks what creating a "foreseen" creation does? It allows a person to invent stuff to make actual scripture to no effect. We can be "in Christ" but not actually be "in Christ" we can be sinners, but not actually be sinners. Doctrine built on sand, folk.

Lets consider God having mercy on us. First, before creation, He foresees that we will be sinners and in need of mercy, so He passes over our foreseen sins, and chooses us, but this choice does not bestow mercy upon us, we are in limbo unto God manifests His choice, then the mercy takes effect. That way we can live not as His people without mercy, yet be chosen and predestined to receive mercy. Got it? Right.

A more straightforward view, is God chooses us during our lifetime and places us in Christ. This is our election, this is God passing over our sins, and this is God having mercy upon us. This is what scripture actually says, the other view is how you can use "foreseen" stuff to slice and dice scripture so it fits with false doctrine.

 

Scripture says God knows stuff, and if we trust in His word, then God knows stuff.

Lets discuss views that stem from scripture and not the wisdom of men. How about this for starters:

Lets consider the idea that we were "in Christ" because God planned to put us "in Christ." Now with this plan in place, before the fall, God did not pass over our sins. So, we must say God passed over our foreseen sins. But then God is taking our characteristics into account, and thus the election is not unconditional.

You see folks what creating a "foreseen" creation does? It allows a person to invent stuff to make actual scripture to no effect. We can be "in Christ" but not actually be "in Christ" we can be sinners, but not actually be sinners. Doctrine built on sand, folk.

Lets consider God having mercy on us. First, before creation, He foresees that we will be sinners and in need of mercy, so He passes over our foreseen sins, and chooses us, but this choice does not bestow mercy upon us, we are in limbo unto God manifests His choice, then the mercy takes effect. That way we can live not as His people without mercy, yet be chosen and predestined to receive mercy. Got it? Right.

A more straightforward view, is God chooses us during our lifetime and places us in Christ. This is our election, this is God passing over our sins, and this is God having mercy upon us. This is what scripture actually says, the other view is how you can use "foreseen" stuff to slice and dice scripture so it fits with false doctrine.

 

I was referring to Romans 3:25. Sorry I did not provide the reference, my bad.

But lets back up to the OT Passover imagery. God made four promises (Exodus 6:6-7):

(1) I will bring you out from heavy burdens

(2) I will deliver you from bondage

(3) I will redeem you, and

(4) I will take you for My People.

Now you can read more views of what these represent than you can shake a stick at,

but these ideas seem close to the mark: (1) Sanctification, being set aside, being transferred from the realm of darkness into the Kingdom of Christ. (2) Forgiveness, nailing whatever was against us on the cross. (3) Redemption, becoming a new creature in Christ, with a clear conscious. And (4) Protection, God will keep us forever for we are His children.

Scripture says "whom He foreknew" but that I believe refers to God's promised plan to redeem us, and for whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed - to be made as a brother of the first born from the dead.

So I agree it does not say what was foreknown about those redeemed, but for sure God knew beforehand Christ's blood would provide redemption for anyone spiritually in Christ. No one is redeemed who has not been spiritually placed in Christ.