The Freewillers Shell Game part 1.

You lost me here Jamie boy?

Good...then your claim to a big "problem" was not so big...now was it?


Could you give me some answers on the following Jamie boy?

If God knows all things then He certainly knows who believes so no big deal to know who to predestinate.


THE EARTH WAS NOT MADE BY GOD??????? I love it!!! haha

Who made the earth then James?


Scripture only take me back to the beginning of time. No man has known the mind of God and certainly not I. Scripture says He foreknew before the foundation of the world.

Can you go back farther than the scriptues Jamie boy?



Good...then your claim to a big "problem" was not so big...now was it?

What does this mean Jamie boy?

Lesson 10,001
Creation by BBob

Genesis 1



"1": In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

"2": And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

"3": And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

"4": And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

"5": And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


And time began.

 

Again, He inserts Himself in time as He chooses. God can and does do anything He wants. Now, you said the creation was time, then you say as the earth turns it is time so there had to be a creation before time began now according to your above post. The Scripture I posted is the Scripture, take it or leave it.
This shell game ain't bad at all for an old country boy. We have to do this again some time Jamie boy. I learned about having a intimate s.... relationship with God. I learned God did not create the earth and some other things. No bomb though which kinda left me disappointed. Have a good nite Jauthor001,

 

20. For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but (He) has appeared in these last times for the sake of you

Here Peter clearly explains how foreknowledge should be understood.

Jesus was foreknown by God the Father
What was it that God foreknew about His Son?
He foreknew that Christ would appear and die for our sins (“for the sake of you”).

In the same way God foreknow that we will either trust in Him or not trust. On this basis we are elect / chosen from all eternity.

 

Here it is again. Someone who thinks God has to see what man would do in order to know whether to elect him or not. Gordon.... God is all knowing.... He does not have to learn anything from man.... He does not have to see what man would do (learn) in order to know who to elect. God is all knowing.

 

I agree He is all knowing. Who will believe and who will not.
Question;
When is foundation of the World?

 

When is the foundation of a building? When is the foundation of anything? It is the beginning.

 

world is sinners so when is foundation of the world?

Can you find the word "world" in Gen:?

 

Have you lost your mind?

 

Can you find the word "world" in Genesis?

According to scriptures there is the World and there is the Church.

Its a good question.

Jesus said "I have chosen you out of the world" and they were still on the earth.

 

That, my friend, is a ridiculous question to say the least. You, sir, are trying to limit God to one or the other. I believe God can be both in time and outside of time at the same time. (And you say we limit God)

 

23. this {Man,} delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put {Him} to death.

There is a Plan.
What is in the Plan?
Is freedom to believe in the Plan?
If freedom to believe is in the plan then that freedom is predetermined and set.


Notice Jesus was delivered over by two things

(1) The completed, settled, or determined plan
(2)God's foreknowledge

"Commentary: Calvinist know this and secretly they really don't believe what they are trapped in. Pride in my estimation has them in chains . Calvinist are changed or infected with Tulipitis. Tulipitis can be CURED.

How is foreknowledge understood here. It is understood that there is something knowable in the plan. What are the facts in this verse that was known in eternity that took place in time. That godless men would be used to nail him to the cross. So foreknowledge knows all the details of the plan, the different variables of the plan, both actual and potential. But because God not only knew the potential but knew the actual then on the based of the actual he speaks, he orchestrates both lost and saved toward the goal of this plan, His plan. God is not surprised by what is in the plan.

You see the plan is predetermined, all that is in the plan is settled. What is settled? All willful acts, all decisions of all kinds, all actions and reactions and thinking - everything. He knows how He Himself orchestrates the free decisions to bring about His sovereignty. You see God’s sovereignty is in tack with the Free will position, but with the philosophical mombo-jombo of Calvinism. His sovereignty is destroyed. Calvinism tells God what He can and can not do. Bible Believing non Calvinist Let God be God. We don’t tell God what can be in his pan and what can not be in his plan.

So I have give you absolute proof that foreknowledge with respect to all the passages dealing with this debate are in no way related to any suggestion that it can be compared to similar parallels to a man knowing his wife sexually. This concept is utterly ridicules.

Calvinism is more than a shell -it is a mirage.

 

If it is all settled, where is the free will? God in His providence causes all things to work together for the good. Your *free* choices will always be consistent with God's decreed will.... therefore your choices are not really free in the literal sense. God knows the future. The future exists as God knows it. There are really therefore no variables in our choices as far as the future is concerned... we will always choose in a manner that is consistent with God's decreed will.

 

I not trying to make a big deal out of this but just find it interesting.
Jesus said I have chosen you out of the world and you are no longer of the world. The scriptures teach of a world and a church. It says that Jesus stood as a slain lamb before the foundation of the world. You can not find the word "world" in Genesis, so I was wondering if any had a thought on when the foundation of the world is?

I probably should of started a thread on this.

 

you say God cannot choose some and leave others out.
you say God cannot sacrifice His Son for only the sins of the saved
you say God cannot guarantee His children will come to Him

We say God can and does what He will, and are happy to be one of His children