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It holds to another Gospel!

 

The Eastern Church holds to this, which might explain why Psa frowned upon!
What is deification in the Eastern Orthodox Church? | GotQuestions.org

 

Jesus was not punished by the Father, but was when imputed to Himself our sins and became then the great sin bearer, was treated as if He had become sin incarnated, so that the Father could not justified freely all who come unto Jesus to get saved!

 

In the Orthodox Church, how then is the Father able to justify lost sinners and still remain Holy?

 

An excellent post and my heart will continue in prayer that you can find a church home in which to fellowship.

I also agree that the early church did not teach PSA as is taught by some.

Certainly, Christ suffered, but not by the Father's hand, and not because of the Father's wrath.

There is a group of Mennonite churches that perhaps you might find common fellowship. They are not Amish, and do not follow an Ordnung rather than Scriptures.

I am Baptist, and at times have to sit quietly in disagreement with that which is presented. But as Paul said, what is not in agreement with Scriptures, throw out as trash.

One other note: Do not be discouraged by those who see no other "theory" as viable other than the PSA. PSA was created (imo) as a distraction from the truth of the victorious work of Christ and from the reconciliation that took place between God and humankind.

 

Isaiah disagrees Isaiah 53:10-12 KJV - Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; - Bible Gateway

 

Isaiah disagrees with you as well
Isaiah 53:10-12 KJV - Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; - Bible Gateway

 

@Marooncat79, @37818, and @DaveXR650.

The OP is correct in stating the PSA theory was not taught by the early church. It was a construct from the RC and a way in which to ply upon the emotions of people and gather more wealth. After all, If Christ gave Himself for the Church, then certainly in penitence you must also give.... to support.....

This is not the thread to debate the PSA. There are long threads already serving as background for folks to use. Should you like to spend time on this forum with that topic, please open a thread and I am sure it will be well attended.

 

"It was the Lord's WILL to crush him..." God did not perform the task, but allowed angry hate filled ungodly humankind to have their way, just as He stated in the parable of the vineyard.

Let's take this to another thread in this forum rather then contend in this one where a brother is seeking prayer.

 

Without Psa though, how can God justify the sinner and yet remain Holy at same time?

 

It was the will of the father, and agreed to by the Son, to have Him get crushed for our sins!

 

That’s not what the text says

 

Because He was victorious.
God did not abuse His Son, He withheld His divine intervention and support that the work of the Cross be accomplished.

More to the point, the temple, the construction, layout, and use all pointed to the Christ. At what point was the sacrifice brutalized by the authorities in charge of offering the atonement? Certainly, if PSA were truth, then such would be portrayed. But it isn't.

But, again, this shouldn't be the thread to discuss PSA, but to hear the plea of a believer seeking the will of the Lord for worship and offer support.

 

Ok, name 3 church fathers who denied PSA?

 

Here, let me help you with your heresy and false teaching

Did the Church Fathers Affirm Penal Substitutionary Atonement?

 

Certainly, However, the teaching of PSA has God pouring His wrath out on the Son, as God administering the punishment, as God turning away from the Son. Not a single one of those items is Scripturally foundational. The wrath of God remains to be poured out on the earth, God never lifted a finger to punish the Son, but was well pleased, and God never turned away from the Son, but withdrew protection and support. The same is seen in the manner the priests would treat the atonement sacrifices.

Again, I ask that folks start a thread in this forum specifically to deal with PSA.

 

Penal Substitution in the Early Church

 

You cannot prove a negative.

You would have to show they actually taught PSA. They didn't. It wasn't around until the RC developed the scheme.

 

Saint Athanasius and the ‘Penal Substitutionary’ Atonement Doctrine | Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese

 

Penal Substitution In The Writings Of The Church Fathers