What if you're wrong and we are right?

Hi Abiyah;
A quote from you;
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(2) Some teach that if one is truly saved, they
wouldn't do weird things in the first place.
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My reply;
The problem is we all sin. I have met a few that said they didn't but Christ himself would disagree.The biggest problem I think with most people today is that they sometimes won't forgive or they don't know how. No one ever said it is easy. But loosing ones salvation is mentioned in several places once as I mentioned in Mathew the other in Romans where Paul is talking about being cut out of the vine for boasting and in Revelations for taking away part of the Bible or, ("erasing part of it"). My security is that it is my hope that I would never turn away from him. Oh sure regretfully, I still sin and I make no excuse for it, ("but I do ask for forgiveness"). I find few days if anytime in my life there isn't something we all need forgiveness for. I do the best that I can to keep from sin. Just Like Paul he wrestled with it all the time, I mean his flesh with spirit. In these bodies we have right now there is little chance for perfection. But this doesn't mean we shouldn't try. If we Love Him we should be doing our best for Him.
Romanbear

 

Again, Bill, as I have said: I am mostly familiar
with holiness-Arminianism. From that vantage
point, you have created a false dichotomy. To
me, this is like saying, "What if oranges are really
watermelon?" Or more closely, "What if dying in
an accident is really obing the dabilitor on a
cosmop frimp?" Do you really think you can
convnce someone about a concept by using
sometihng they do not believe? It isn't going to
happen. But it does amuse some.

I am not, however, amused by the idea. 8o|

Thank you for the compliment on the photo, though.
I, uh, have been around for a while!

 

Romanbear --
These are the things I don't understand about
non-holiness-Arminianism:

1. Do they believe that when they sin, they always
lose their savation?
2. What happens if you, in a weak moment, gossip,
and immediately, you are struck by a car and
killed: do you go to Hell?
3. Do some sins not have the ability to cause you
to lose you savation, but others do? If so, which
sins are too small to cause the loss, and which are
big enough?
4. What verse(s) best define(s) sin in you opinion?
5. Do you believe that the BIble differentiates
between its uses of the words "sin"' and "sins"?
6. Can an infant go to Hell for Adam's sin before
they have commited sin themselves?

 

If God can be so limited by man that millions that He desired to come to salvation are lost then we are all in a real bind, for we would have a God who can be defeated in the one area that the Bible claims he cannot be - that of Salvation.

Salvation is of the Lord. Jonah 2:9

(Psa 20:6 KJV) Now know I that the LORD saveth his anointed; he will hear him from his holy heaven with the saving strength of his right hand.

(Acts 13:48 KJV) And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

If Calvinism is wrong then the vote of God in the Salvation of a soul can be defeated by the devil and man. Herschell Hobbs said it this way, "God votes for you, the devil votes against you, and you cast the deciding ballot."

Only one problem with that theology. It puts Satan and Man on equal footing with God in Salvation.

 

Ah! Calvin and Hobbs!

8oD

 

There you go again. Are you saying that you do not believe any Calvinists are saved?

 

Everyone should be sure of their doctrine regardless of the position that he or she takes on particular Biblical issues.

Also, I don't think there is "no harm done" by having a wrong Biblical position. That would be to say that doctrine doesn't matter at all if Brother Bill's premise is accepted as true...which it is not.

 

Your point is rather silly as Calvinists have been around for hundreds of years and will continue to be around until Jesus returns. Your ruminations are therefore pointless. You repeatedly come across as thinking that you can singlehandedly eliminate Calvinism from the face of the earth through your puny crusade against it...but you are wrong.

 

1)Not so. I have started a new thread that shows the awful core danger of Arminianism.

2)Please don't ever say that about me. I believe like a Calvinist and walk with my Lord as a Calvinist.

3)Yep, Arminianism is certainly based on works.

4)I am 100% sure that salvation is 100% the work of God alone.

5)Salvation is not a matter of chance. Apparently, Arminianism teaches that it is.

 

Absolutely, I agree that they do. And bad doctrine such as Arminianism must be opposed every step of the way so that the fewest number of people will be there, not because one cannot be saved as an Arminian, but because it gives a certain number of people a false security that they are already saved when they are not as my thread about the core danger of Arminianism points out.

 

Of course. The reason I believe what I believe is because I was open to the possibility that free will was false, and studied the Bible until I came to my current conclusions.

That's the point you're missing. God's word is the truth. I believe what I believe because that's the truth I get from God's word - I do not take into consideration what affect it will have to believe it, because that has nothing to do with what is true and what isn't. Whatever that truth is, it's true no matter what you think the consequences of believing it may be. I trust that the truth always brings about the best consequences because the truth comes from God. What more do I need to know?

As I said, the suggestion "you should believe this because it will have a better result" is straight from hell. You can put that in front of lots of things and will be perfectly true from man's perspective. "Reject Christ and you'll have an easier time getting along with most other people..." for example. You say you're talking about an outcome that is more noble? Says you! Given the choice, I'd rather go with what the Word of God says, and let God decide what good comes of it, not what Mr. Bill thinks about the good or bad that comes of it.

 

Pure, unadulterated Arminianism will cause some people to end up in hell because they will not be taught to trust in the finished work of Christ alone but instead will be taught that salvation is based upon some action they took aside from the power of God alone.

 

Ditto back to you, Brother Bill, ditto back to you.