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What Is Reformed Theology?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Sep 19, 2020.

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  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

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    I am not Calvinist. An you start with a "strawman" argument, "It means you have to work to keep your Salvation." Which is not even Christian, and is not even Calvinist. Which means you do not know what you are talking about,
     
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    Forgive me if I have confused you with another rabid ‘anti-Calvinist’ but aren’t you the person that likes to add words to the middle of verses to explain why they don’t say what Calvinists read? If so, then accusing others of doing what in reality you are the one doing is more than a little hypocritical.
     
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    So what? Even if God loves every person in the world without exception, John 3:16 still says that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES shall not perish, so all of the unbelievers WILL perish!

    John 6:44 explains who the “WHOSOEVER BELIEVES” of John 3:16 that will not perish is ... those the Father draws to the Son. John 10 offers an extended explanation on the difference between those that the Father has GIVEN to the Son (His sheep) and those that are not His sheep (and DO NOT BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HIS SHEEP).

    Go look it up. There is no interpretation in what I have presented. I have simply told you what the Bible says. Read the verses for yourself. Quote them and prove me wrong. You will not because you cannot. You can only offer a different INTERPRETATION of those verses and try to explain to me why they do not mean what they say.

    It will not work ...
    • WHOSOEVER BELIEVES is Biblical
    • THE FATHER DRAWS is Biblical
    • DO NOT BELIEVE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT MY SHEEP is Biblical
    • (My sheep) WHOM THE FATHER HAS GIVEN ME is Biblical
    so you cannot prove that the Bible does not say what it says.
     
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    I don't care. I share from the ESV as it is closest to the original. I take your complaint as a cop-out.
     
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    We have a complete bible . We can't understand Leviticus properly without Hebrews.
     
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    As a Calvinist it is no longer possible to read what the bible says. The system has to be dropped first .
     
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    Esv = calvinist bible .
     
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    LOL
    Barry, you just jumped the shark.
     
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    This is an incredibly idiotic and ignorant statement!

    Also, you are failing to realize that many Calvinists (such as myself) have never read Calvin at length. Additionally, you fail to realize that all of us read the Bible according to some system. The proper reading of Scripture is done according to biblical theology, which is what most Calvinists I know strive to do.

    What you’ve demonstrated is a commitment to a system of sorts that exalts man as a self-determining automaton on the level of the Creator who can interfere with or thwart the plans of God. It doesn’t take much reading of Scripture to see your system is vapid nonsense.

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    @MB, @Barry Johnson,

    First off, I like both you gus because you want to take a stand agains Calvinism.

    Second, the purpose of this thread is to first understand the Biblical texts that Calvinists use which gives them the reasons for what they believe.

    Third, give correct Biblical understandings of the texts where needed. In other words, identify incorrect presuppositions.that the Calvinist actually hold.
     
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    A jehovah witness can still be a jw without ever reading Charles taze Russell. The devil makes sure to decieve those who give themselves over to an ' ism '
     
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    Are you really intending to say Calvinists are deceived by the devil?

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    But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2 cor 11.3
     
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    Hmmm... just because you can’t seem to grasp the deep things of God and His word does not mean that those who do are of the devil.

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    corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. If there ever was a system that this verse applies ,Calvinsm is it.
     
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    You just keep on digging your hole deeper, don’t you?

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    Augustine already dug it for the calvinists
     
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    Just look at who originally said this nonsemse.
    Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
    I know you think this is total depravity but the fool also says there is no God. Do you still want to believe the rant of a fool Not to mention no where in or near this passage does it say this is the condition of all men in there natural state. The fool is saying this about the righteous.IMHO

    I do not deny that before Salvation man is evil. I just do not believe it has disabled all men from understanding the milk of the word.
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    From a Jehovah witness bible. It is at best a commentary of the least likely to be true.
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    As predicted, you do not just let scripture speak for itself but have INTERPRETED Romans 3 to change the plain meaning of what Paul wrote. Your claim of being free of personal interpretation is proven utter nonsense.

    Whether or not I want to believe a fool is irrelevant. The question was “What did Paul write in Romans 3?” The plain, simple meaning without any interpretation.
     
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